komemiute Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I found a great Thesis online that some may like to read here and has some good research and Comparisons, such as Maneuvering Performance Comparison of the P-47C Thunderbolt vs ME 109 Gustav Altitude 25,000 feet etc. It's based against the 109 G models tho. Interesting that a P-47 had the most air-to-air victories than any other unit in Europe. So she's not just a ground attack now, I'm keen to do some boom and zooms on the 109s. Quote "In many cases, particularly late in the war, the German fighter pilot under attack would perform a split-S maneuver to dive away from combat, a maneuver that worked very well against opposing fighters early in the war. Such an action against a Thunderbolt, however, would be a deadly choice because the P-47, being very heavy and powered by a 2,000 horsepower engine could out-dive any other fighter in the sky. Fighter Group 56, which flew the P-47 throughout the war and achieved more air-to-air victories than any other unit in Europe, was particularly adept at this strategy. The top scoring ace in the European Theater, Col. Frances Gabreski of the 56th, brought down 28 German aircraft with his Thunderbolt." http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-07022008-013657/unrestricted/courter_thesis.pdf GoshgoshGOSH! It's from the times of Aces over Europe that I'm craving a properly simulated P-47! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 GoshgoshGOSH! It's from the times of Aces over Europe that I'm craving a properly simulated P-47! :D Agreed. I really hope they get it right with this one. The P-47 was known as being one of, if not the toughest fighters in the war. It was also a very capable fighter and could hold its own in a fight. I'm gonna be very disappointing if they don't model it's durability, including it's engine durability. The P&W was known to be a very tough engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antagonist Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Agreed. I really hope they get it right with this one. The P-47 was known as being one of, if not the toughest fighters in the war. It was also a very capable fighter and could hold its own in a fight. I'm gonna be very disappointing if they don't model it's durability, including it's engine durability. The P&W was known to be a very tough engine. While I agree regarding loss of wings etc, wing paneling should still be able to be blown off from mine shells, especially 30 mm. I don't think a P-47 would survive more than 2 mine shells hitting its wing, considering a Spitfire would not survive even one. From the test report, paraphrased: "Probably lethal due to structural damage (= aerodynamic forces finishing the job and ripping off the wing), definitely lethal due to control loss (= asymmetric lift dooming the plane)." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legioneod Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 (edited) While I agree regarding loss of wings etc, wing paneling should still be able to be blown off from mine shells, especially 30 mm. I don't think a P-47 would survive more than 2 mine shells hitting its wing, considering a Spitfire would not survive even one. From the test report, paraphrased: "Probably lethal due to structural damage (= aerodynamic forces finishing the job and ripping off the wing), definitely lethal due to control loss (= asymmetric lift dooming the plane)." Depends on where it hits and at what angle. You'd also have to look at the structure of the specific aircraft. I've read of accounts of the Jug taking more than 20, 20mm shell hits and it still made it back home. The Spitfires wing structure was weaker than the P-47s, but like I said, it just depends. Keep in mind, I'm not saying the Jug should be invincible, I'm just saying it should be very tough as it was in real life. It should definitely be tougher than any ww2 aircraft we have in the sim right now. Edited May 8, 2017 by Legion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 Time to start training. Ignore the corny start. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 I found a great Thesis online that some may like to read here and has some good research and Comparisons, such as Maneuvering Performance Comparison of the P-47C Thunderbolt vs ME 109 Gustav Altitude 25,000 feet etc. It's based against the 109 G models tho. Interesting that a P-47 had the most air-to-air victories than any other unit in Europe. So she's not just a ground attack now, I'm keen to do some boom and zooms on the 109s. Quote "In many cases, particularly late in the war, the German fighter pilot under attack would perform a split-S maneuver to dive away from combat, a maneuver that worked very well against opposing fighters early in the war. Such an action against a Thunderbolt, however, would be a deadly choice because the P-47, being very heavy and powered by a 2,000 horsepower engine could out-dive any other fighter in the sky. Fighter Group 56, which flew the P-47 throughout the war and achieved more air-to-air victories than any other unit in Europe, was particularly adept at this strategy. The top scoring ace in the European Theater, Col. Frances Gabreski of the 56th, brought down 28 German aircraft with his Thunderbolt." http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-07022008-013657/unrestricted/courter_thesis.pdf However this isn't representative of DCS as Luftwaffe fighters are 35mph faster than what the Americans were combating in early 1944. All fighters in this game will have a service ceiling of 40,000ft+. Americans no longer have a 4000-5000ft service ceiling advantage. Luftwaffe fighters can now produce 400HP+ then before, while the Mustang has no boost. P-47 increases power by about 300hp+. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zunzun Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 However this isn't representative of DCS as Luftwaffe fighters are 35mph faster than what the Americans were combating in early 1944. All fighters in this game will have a service ceiling of 40,000ft+. Americans no longer have a 4000-5000ft service ceiling advantage. Luftwaffe fighters can now produce 400HP+ then before, while the Mustang has no boost. P-47 increases power by about 300hp+. At 64-65 inches the jug will be producing 2550-2600 hp. Not an insignificant increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSR_T-800 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 At 64-65 inches the jug will be producing 2550-2600 hp. Not an insignificant increase. For the Jugs weight 300hp+ is only a around 15% increase. While German aircraft wereally receiving a 30% increase in power. http://i.imgur.com/LYvIQFB.gifv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antagonist Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 For the Jugs weight 300hp+ is only a around 15% increase. While German aircraft wereally receiving a 30% increase in power. Which is going hand in hand with lowered critical altitudes. The P-47 will still hold the high ground and it will significantly outspeed any German plane starting at ~5-6 km. http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/p-47/p47d-44-1-level.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 However this isn't representative of DCS as Luftwaffe fighters are 35mph faster than what the Americans were combating in early 1944. All fighters in this game will have a service ceiling of 40,000ft+. Americans no longer have a 4000-5000ft service ceiling advantage. Luftwaffe fighters can now produce 400HP+ then before, while the Mustang has no boost. P-47 increases power by about 300hp+. My main point here tho was... "Fighter Group 56, which flew the P-47 throughout the war and achieved more air-to-air victories than any other unit in Europe" The P-47 would be considered the underdog now in DCS for air quake and back then in the War. Guys such as Col. Frances Gabreski of the 56th that shot down 28 aircraft would have mixed it up with all sorts of different types of german aircraft and variances "throughout the war" and they still managed "more air-to-air victories" than any other unit in Europe. Tactics using the P-47 is going to be very very key here. You always have to have an energy advantage and you should be able to hold your own or disengage by diving away. No aircraft could out dive the P-47 and none had the same maneuverability at these very high speeds. The P-47 will be like a freight train with eight .50 caliber guns with thirty seconds of fire (3400 rounds) That's a whole lot of get some right there... We also need the "New damage model" so the .50s have good effect. - i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzU Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 Yup! 100 rounds a second should get their attention. Buzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 That ammo... it takes up nearly the entire wing! How much weight does it add? DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antagonist Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 That ammo... it takes up nearly the entire wing! How much weight does it add? Around 500 kg, give or take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David OC Posted May 9, 2017 Share Posted May 9, 2017 (edited) HvS4NdzEBB0 Uncrating and Field Assembly of the P-47 Thunderbolt Fighter - 1943 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2D3k0sJ8HM Like how every part was thought out and utilized including the packing crates for assembling. How To Fly The P-47 - Pilot Familiarization (1943) I love these old videos, different time back then, that's for sure. Y_dYBOgLbHc EDIT: See the P-47 in full action in this video - Edited May 10, 2017 by David OC i7-7700K OC @ 5Ghz | ASUS IX Hero MB | ASUS GTX 1080 Ti STRIX | 32GB Corsair 3000Mhz | Corsair H100i V2 Radiator | Samsung 960 EVO M.2 NVMe 500G SSD | Samsung 850 EVO 500G SSD | Corsair HX850i Platinum 850W | Oculus Rift | ASUS PG278Q 27-inch, 2560 x 1440, G-SYNC, 144Hz, 1ms | VKB Gunfighter Pro Chuck's DCS Tutorial Library Download PDF Tutorial guides to help get up to speed with aircraft quickly and also great for taking a good look at the aircraft available for DCS before purchasing. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugdriver Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 (edited) Well I'm sure DCS's intentions of the P-47 are to advertise it as a ground attack aircraft :/. Which is fair since in late 1944 only 4 fighter groups were flying the P-47 while 2 were already in transitioning to the P-51. Your are only talking about the 8th AF, the 9th AF had eleven Fighter Groups flying the P-47 in late 44. The 9th AF was (Became) a tactical AF but it still shot down a lot of German aircraft in the ETO. I sure hope that ED don't focus solely on its ground attack ability, it was initially designed as a high alt interceptor, but there was not a lot of that going on the allied side in 44.. I do have high hopes though since the foundations of the design were from a Russian :) JD AKA_MattE Edited May 10, 2017 by Jugdriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 I'm becoming interested In the P-47, which has evaded my notice until now. So there's quite a far ranging fanclub from what I can tell. It cannot be her looks, is this all about her conversation? ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pocket Sized Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 People love the Jug for the same reason people love the Warthog... it's just a very badass airplane all around. DCS modules are built up to a spec, not down to a schedule. In order to utilize a system to your advantage, you must know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikey Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Would I be right in thinking that the future improved damage model might be a huge part of the connection we need for the appeal to be villified? So i'm saying , all these stories about the cylinders popping through the cowling and shot out and flying into trees and so on... to make that dream be realised we need something back from ED on the damage modelling? Just thinking out loud. Seems like the pilots appeal was the aircraft's ruggedness, survivability, non twitchiness, weaponry, rather than the sleek lines, and so on. Perhaps virtual pilots would love the wide spaced wheels and ability to do pirouettes without face planting it?! People love the Jug for the same reason people love the Warthog... it's just a very badass airplane all around. ___________________________________________________________________________ SIMPLE SCENERY SAVING * SIMPLE GROUP SAVING * SIMPLE STATIC SAVING * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winglesschip209 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It's a nice plane but I would not waist a plane on that model if DCS world would build one I would rather do a hurricane more famous and nicer looking don't get me wrong the p47 is a nice plane but theirs better nicer looking ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaW0lf Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) IMHO the P-47 is way more current in the today's DCS setting and the aircraft is not only legendary, but has some important WWII aces and has a large following in the sim community. It would not be my style of flying, but I would not mind to fly in formation or to be on the other side in a Bf 109. Edited May 24, 2017 by SeaW0lf -- Win10 Pro, Philips 298P4QJEB (2560X1080), i5-9600K, Zalman 9900NT, GA-Z390 UD, GTX 1060 GamingX 6GB, 16GB 3200Mhz CL16, Samsung 970 EVO 250GB, Corsair AX-750W, Carbide 300R, G940, TrackIR 5 -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacks Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Alot more P-47s flew over Normandy in 1944 than hurricanes did. Plus the big looks better and is much more multi role with tanks, rockets and bombs. System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1. Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals. Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Busutil Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Found her in an Air Force museum in Florida. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/?CREATED_BY=Mike%20Busutil&set_filter=Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oreste Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Bellissime immagini,speriamo di poter volare con un P 47 anche su DCS,2500 HP!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]My dream: DCS Tornado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brigg Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Wow how gorgeous is she :thumbup: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitormouraa Posted May 25, 2017 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Wow how gorgeous is she :thumbup: And YUGE! SplashOneGaming Discord https://splashonegaming.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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