skouras Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 it seems that the gun is not use PAC anymore is like you select the GUNARM mod you fire the gun and the nose goes up anyway to have it as it was before... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 A10A does not simulate the PAC, only in DCS:A10C you have that in-depth simulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skouras Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 (edited) so i don't see any reason to use the gun at that state with A10-A plus that CBU 97's goes short on target Edited August 3, 2013 by skouras [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon_120 Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 Why not? I can destroy many targets with the gun. Is it less accurate that with the A10C? Yes. But you can use anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skouras Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 the gun of the A10 is well known for its size and accuracy anyway whatever thanks four your reply's by the way [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windsortheater Posted August 3, 2013 Share Posted August 3, 2013 The gun is tough to use on the A-10a. I don't have a reference point with A-10C. I think for the FC3 A-10A there should be some system to limit recoil or adjust for it. Maybe even for the A-10A since it is a simpler FC3 variant just to artificially reduce recoil force to simulate (without complexity) the A-10C complex compensaton systems. It is much more difficult to gun with the AFM and no recoil compensation system. Is this realistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windsortheater Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Is it realistic for the A-10a to have no compensation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 It works fine with steeper dive and short bursts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exorcet Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I've used the A-10C without PAC, it's not that bad. You can probably trim the nose down a bit on the A. Hold the stick back and then release when you fire. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyTheLung Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 Is it realistic for the A-10a to have no compensation? If you look on the canopy bow you'll see the PAC switch (precision attitude control) is in the off position. That's the system that deals with recoil compensation. Next time you fire the gun, try to push the stick slightly forward the instant you start firing. I've found that the gun is quit controllable that way. (You don't need to over control, just a slight push forward exactly as the gun starts firing that you'd hold until you're finished shooting) System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skouras Posted August 4, 2013 Author Share Posted August 4, 2013 they should add a command shortcut for the PAC since they add AFM trying to push the stick or trim the whole plane just to hit a target is not a solution [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]W10(64bit)Asus Rog Strix Z370-F - i7 8700K - Dark Rock Pro 4 - 16 giga ram Corsair vengeance 3000 - MSI RTX 2070 Super - Asus Rog Phobeus soundcard - Z906 Surround speaker - Track ir5 - HOTAS Warthog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyTheLung Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 they should add a command shortcut for the PAC since they add AFM trying to push the stick or trim the whole plane just to hit a target is not a solution It would be cool if they add that feature. I'll have to disagree with you on the last pont though, trimming the AC prior to firing or getting used to adjusting the stick when you start firing is the only solution right now. How do you suppose A-10 pilots handled the recoil prior to the PAC system? System specifications: Computer, joystick, DCS world, Beer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenan Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I thought IRL A-10A doesn't have PAC? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgeLKMT Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 I thought IRL A-10A doesn't have PAC? It was just after the Gulf War that the A-10A received its first major upgrade: the Low-Altitude Safety Targeting Enhancement (LASTE) system. LASTE included an attitude stabilization system (PAC or Precision Attitude Control) to improve accuracy while firing that amazing gun, updated weapons computers, the distinctive fuselage-mounted Pave Penny laser sensor, and a Ground Collision Avoidance System (GCAS) lovingly referred to as the “Bitchin’ Betty”. Attitude Control System (EAC) The EAC system was one part of the LASTE update to the A-10A that provides an autopilot capability. EAC uses sensor data from the Embedded GPS INS (EGI) navigation system, the Central Air Data Computer (CADC) and the SAS, and then provides input into elevator and yaw as part of the SAS. The EAC system provides two major FCS functions: Precision Attitude Control (PAC) . In PAC 1, pressing the trigger in Gun master mode will trim the aircraft through SAS to keep the gun pipper on the target point. Low Altitude Autopilot (LAAP) . This includes the autopilot modes of Altitude/Bank Hold, Altitude/Heading Hold, and Path Hold modes. I think it wouldn't hurt anybody to add this to A-10A, even if it's just FC3 fidelity ;) ■ L-39C/ZA Czech cockpit mod ■ My DCS skins ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windsortheater Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I think if the A-10A modelled in FC3 is IRL is not supposed to have PAC then I am OK with manually doing the trim thing. If it does have PAC then it should be in the sim in some way shape or form. Just my 2 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wholehawg Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 If you look on the left side of the window frame there is a switch for Gun PAC on the A10a. It looks like it was a retrofit the way its just bolted on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czar66 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 If you look on the left side of the window frame there is a switch for Gun PAC on the A10a. It looks like it was a retrofit the way its just bolted on there. That's quite an old thread, bud. For the issue: PAC is really active only when guns are selected stand alone: pressing C and the complex reticle shows up. (I believe there's some older thread on this being clarified) Tested on the open beta build: 1.2.16.42796.8 Apparently no manual PAC switch on/off command on control settings as of last previous open beta build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiJack Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 If you fly straight and level and press "C" you will know if the PAC is activated. And it is :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts