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Good news 305 survived, 2 killed.

Plane reported coming into high of an AoA.

Tail struck the back sea wall and broke off.

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Good news 305 survived, 2 killed.

Plane reported coming into high of an AoA.

Tail struck the back sea wall and broke off.

 

seems there had perfect weather (with calm wind)

looks pilot error at first blink :(

most of the pilots are not using automatic approach/landing

especially skilled pilots

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Investigation should give us some insight of what might happen.

 

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Few bits from NTSB Twitter;

 

Sound of stick shaker began approx. 4-sec prior to impact. #Asiana 214

 

Call to go around made approx. 1.5-sec prior to impact. #Asiana 214

 

Preliminary results revealed: 24 hours of recorded data. #Asiana 214

 

FDR contained 1400 parameters and captured the entire flight. #Asiana 214

 

The data indicate that the throttles were at idle and the airspeed slowed below target approach speed during the approach. #Asiana 214

 

The throttles were advanced a few seconds prior to impact and the engines appear to respond normally. #Asiana 214

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The data indicate that the throttles were at idle and the airspeed slowed below target approach speed during the approach. #Asiana 214

 

damn, idle throttles ? :noexpression: :chair::fear::wallbash:

i'm wondering when they will finally eliminate/forbid the manual landing with 300 persons onboard :doh:

 

thanks for the info Thamuff :thumbup:


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:censored: :shocking: :bomb: there was a huge trouble in the cockpit: 2000 feet altitude, 20 minutes prior touchdown over the pacific ocean ? :wallbash: what was that ? a low alt city/sightseeing flight ? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AAR214

http://qz.com/101266/look-at-the-flight-path-of-asiana-214-before-it-crashed-in-san-francisco-yesterday/

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i dont know what to think but they were too low - continuously - was not reported of an emergency or malfunction

but those idle throttles :mad: without speed and altitude with huge full flaps and gears down: flying brick

were pilots drunk ?

amazing errors in a perfect weather

 

personally i think better to use auto pilot/landing and do only monitirong the automatic with 300 passangers behind pilots

what you wrote is a good example for a manual carrier landing IMHO

 

auto pilot wont make that low approach deviation what you can see on the graph above - but if even so, there are pilots to turn off autopilot/landing


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Glideslope was inoperable, so they had to do manual approach. And pilots HAVE to know how to fly airplane manually even with 500 souls on board, that doesn't matter. There's no rule that says "ok we have a lot of people here, let's use autoland". But how many manual hours and experience with hand flying those pilots had, that's a different question...

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ok, iv just read:

"There are reports that the ILS glideslope was unavailable, but that the PAPI (precision approach path indicator) for runway 28L was functional. There are some conflicting reports that the PAPI was unavailable as well. Aircraft were making visual approaches to 28L and 28R."

 

but they at least they had to use the auto throttle

 

http://flyingprofessors.net/what-happened-to-asiana-airlines-flight-214-2/

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ok, iv just read:

"There are reports that the ILS glideslope was unavailable, but that the PAPI (precision approach path indicator) for runway 28L was functional. There are some conflicting reports that the PAPI was unavailable as well. Aircraft were making visual approaches to 28L and 28R."

 

but they at least they had to use the auto throttle

 

But I heard on the news reports that the throttle was set to idle..and it was within 7 seconds..they realized their air speed approach was to slow..and low..pilot error...but I could be wrong..I heard this on one news channel..

 

 

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sf-fire-chief-2-dead-crash-were-found-090015957.html?vp=1

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But I heard on the news reports that the throttle was set to idle..and it was within 7 seconds..they realized their air speed approach was to slow..and low..pilot error...but I could be wrong..I heard this on one news channel..

 

 

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/sf-fire-chief-2-dead-crash-were-found-090015957.html?vp=1

 

yeah, read my previous replies - idle throttles: that's why i was mad

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yeah, read my previous replies - idle throttles: that's why i was mad

 

Why are you mad? Idle power descents are used all the time. Most carriers FMS's will automatically command an idle power descent at the start of the terminal phase of the flight.

 

Best to wait for the NTSB report and then know all the facts.

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Why are you mad? Idle power descents are used all the time. Most carriers FMS's will automatically command an idle power descent at the start of the terminal phase of the flight.

 

Best to wait for the NTSB report and then know all the facts.

 

If you watch the link I posted the NTSB did mention flight was coming in too slow and too low

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Guys... I've read a lot of poo in the 'media' so please stop making accusations based on 'media-facts'. Only official info we have is that they were low on speed and below a normal g/s.

 

It's anyone's guess, at this point, as to why this accident happened. To accuse the pilots of 'being drunk' is not helpful. I can assure you that they themselves had other plans while on a layover in SFO.

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If you watch the link I posted the NTSB did mention flight was coming in too slow and too low

 

I'd prefer to get the facts from the interim NTSB report, then rely on media hyperbole.

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Guys... I've read a lot of poo in the 'media' so please stop making accusations based on 'media-facts'. Only official info we have is that they were low on speed and below a normal g/s.

 

It's anyone's guess, at this point, as to why this accident happened. To accuse the pilots of 'being drunk' is not helpful. I can assure you that they themselves had other plans while on a layover in SFO.

 

Really well I just saw a news report with a NTSB representative reporting some of the findings to the crash

 

IE: Like the flight was too low and too slow on approach..

 

Also of the two that died..news reports that one of the 16 year olds that died was apparently run over by an emergency response vehicle...

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Isn´t this the first hull loss of a 777 (with casualties, that is)? Guess the 777´s perfect safety record just got a little dent. :(

 

Does the air frame's safety record take a hit if the mishap was a result of pilot error? Not making any insinuations, mind you. Just curious

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CNN reporting the Captain! Only 43 hours! Wow flying international?! That explains it.

" any failure you meet is never a defeat; merely a set up for a greater comeback " WF.

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts," Sir Churchill

" He who never changes his mind, never changes anything," WC, GBS.

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