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I have got a question, because I have difficulties in hitting targets with unguided bombs in CCIP / CR and CCRP mode.

 

Are there any restrictions of flight parameters when holding the trigger? Because I often miss the targets. I designate target with TGP, use 5mil mode, bombs are released and I think that everything should be correct, but I miss.

 

Maybe it's forbidden to bank in this mode? Don't know :/

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By how much do you miss? Unguided bombs aren't all that accurate, especially not when not dropped from a dive (in CCIP mode).

 

There shouldn't be any restrictions – if the weapons computer doesn't refuse to drop at all, it has a solution. Just don't change the conditions wildly, set up your bank and g load prior to getting close to release point and keep it stable until release.

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By how much do you miss? Unguided bombs aren't all that accurate, especially not when not dropped from a dive (in CCIP mode).

 

There shouldn't be any restrictions – if the weapons computer doesn't refuse to drop at all, it has a solution. Just don't change the conditions wildly, set up your bank and g load prior to getting close to release point and keep it stable until release.

 

I don't know how much I miss, because I use Hat for trimming and didn't assign any key to look around (and TrackIR looking around doesn't work outside cockpit). I will assign something tonight and check.

 

And I was flying almost leveled, on autopilot, all was going like in the book and I had 3 misses in a row. Frustrating. No problem with regular CCIP mode, problem exists when I want to release bombs without a dive - in CCRP or CCIP / CR.

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^ If not you can use the NumPad keys to look around with the exterior camera.

You can also press F6 or F7 (forgot which one exactly) to look at your bomb after you released it.

If you can upload a track it would be very helpful.

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OK, just played simple mission and my statistics are:

 

2 x Mk82Air Hidrag = fail

2 x Mk82Air Lowdrag = success

1 x Maverick = success

 

I tried to look what went wrong with hidrag Mk82. Basicaly those bombs were landing a hundred or more meters from target, even with most precise flying in CCRP. Totally unreliable for me now...

 

But with CCRP and low drag everything went perfect - maybe 3-6 meters from target in CCRP.

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For the Mk82 AIRs, I had trouble with those until i realized they are to be used exclusively at low altitude (<3000ft) and from there i has much more success with them.

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For the Mk82 AIRs, I had trouble with those until i realized they are to be used exclusively at low altitude (<3000ft) and from there i has much more success with them.

 

 

hmm, that could be it. I was launching them from 6000 ft or more.

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I increased my success with iron bombs by following the wind correction thread posted a while back. I haven't tried since 1.2.3 came out but I was successful from 10-12K feet a large percentage of the time, using Mk82 slicks. I used CCRP and level release, though.

 

Give it a try: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=66422

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I increased my success with iron bombs by following the wind correction thread posted a while back. I haven't tried since 1.2.3 came out but I was successful from 10-12K feet a large percentage of the time, using Mk82 slicks. I used CCRP and level release, though.

 

Give it a try: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=66422

 

Wind correction isn't modelled. It's a pointless page and doesn't do anything. LASTE corrects automatically.

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i don't know either

after some tests i was pretty sure that theres was more accurate

in fact all of them just hit the head of the target

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I just don't know what to believe any more :(

 

 

GBU-12s or CBU 97s or 105s. Solves all the problems. Except if you drop a CBU with a bit of wind, better know optimal point of release.

 

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See if this helps any. If you're not, try to always drop in pairs but as stated, dumb bombs arent the most accurate.

 

When I set release parameter to "pairs" (MK82), the bombs come off a single pylon. Not from each wing as I expect. Is this normal, or is there more parameters to be set ?

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Just curious, why would it matter if they came off the same pylon or off of each wing?

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Just curious, why would it matter if they came off the same pylon or off of each wing?

To have a balanced wing load after the drop.

Also, I think sometimes it make sense to have a wider than longer area affected by the blast.

 

Make sure you have two opposite pylons selected in the DSMS.

I don't select pylons, just switch on the profile. I'll give it a try, thanks.

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When I set release parameter to "pairs" (MK82), the bombs come off a single pylon. Not from each wing as I expect. Is this normal, or is there more parameters to be set ?

 

Do you have the bombs on stations 5 & 7 by any chance?

 

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If that fails, try selecting opposite pylons before you program the profile. It's one or the other. Because I think if you select one only it tells the computer to drop two from that pylon only. Selecting two opposite pylons should result in an even drop. afaik

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Pairs cannot be released from 5 & 7 due to the proximity of the stations to each other. A ripple string will be released in station priority order, 5 first and then 7.

 

Keep the TERs to 3,4,8 & 9 and you'll get "proper" pairs release.

 

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Maybe it's forbidden to bank in this mode? Don't know :/

 

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Projected Bomb Impact Line (PBIL). The PBIL is displayed as a line directed outward from the center of the CCIP Reticle. The PBIL is a linear prediction of where the CCIP will track across the ground. It is based upon the assumption that the aircraft will maintain present airspeed, G-load, and bank angle. If the aircraft is maneuvered to track the target down the PBIL, the pipper can be guided directly to the target even at high bank angles. If a ripple release is selected, the bomb stick will fall along the PBIL and the displayed CCIP solution is for the center of the bomb stick length.

Be mindful of erratic roll changes in CCIP or the PBIL can move from side to side on the HUD in a “windshield wiper effect”.

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I can't tell which pylons now. Are 5 & 7 not fit for pairs ? It happens to me and my mate regularly, so I'll try with different pylons and with what 112th_Rossi suggested.

 

Here is a discussion of the ripple pair issue. With a nice pic of how they actually came off in the first post.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=75977

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