Helo?

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I understand that FC3 is owned by Ubisoft and has a bit of legal red tape around it. That being said is it possible to "plug in" a FC3 level helo to FC3 and the property still be owned solely by ED or a third party publisher.

 

Here is a thought..... What if Ubisoft starts making FC3 aircraft again (through developers)? DCS Blackshark started as a FC3 add on. Is there a chance there is a FC1 or 2 (to be upgraded to 3) version tucked in a server somewhere?

 

I wish the third party people (or ED) would consider making a FC3 level Ka50. I know I am not the only one that has requested this.

[Paganus]

FC3 is the end of that line because of the tie back to LO.

 

I wouldn't rule out an FC3 level of fidelity helo though. It would just be an addon for DCSWorld.

[EtherealN]

I wouldn't rule out an FC3 level of fidelity helo though. It would just be an addon for DCSWorld.

 

Bingo! :)

 

Quicksilver, there's no reason why an FC-level fidelity helicopter, if made, would have to be put into FC. FC3 is a DCS World module. Would this be a module onto a module? Why do that instead of just having it be a separate module? :)

 

As for when and if we would get such a module, I suspect that is a matter for the market research people at ED, TFC and any Partner developers that have an interest in making it. I could, for example, see it as a viable thing to consider for the simplifications that may be necessary for some two-seat helicopters.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

Bingo! :)

 

Quicksilver, there's no reason why an FC-level fidelity helicopter, if made, would have to be put into FC. FC3 is a DCS World module. Would this be a module onto a module? Why do that instead of just having it be a separate module? :)

 

As for when and if we would get such a module, I suspect that is a matter for the market research people at ED, TFC and any Partner developers that have an interest in making it. I could, for example, see it as a viable thing to consider for the simplifications that may be necessary for some two-seat helicopters.

 

Well I was actually hoping to see a FC3 level Blackshark. What a great way to get people into helo combat that don't have the time to study the DCS version.

[Isegrim]

What a great way to get people into helo combat that don't have the time to study the DCS version.

 

?

 

It doesnt take that long.

 

 

FC Level Helicopter :doh:

 

They Should Ban FC and only do DCS Level Aircraft.:thumbup:

[mjeh]

They Should Ban FC and only do DCS Level Aircraft.:thumbup:

 

Why should they alienate themselves from a very signifficant (<-- my assumption) part of the potential market?!

[Isegrim]

FC> Standalone: FC Level Aircraft Fight each other or AI = OK

 

DCS> Standalone: DCS Level Aircraft Fight each other or AI = OK

 

FC Level Aicraft Fight DCS Level Aicraft = is not OK in my opinion

it gives advantage to the FC level aircraft caused by easy flight model and extremly shortcuted systems controlability for the Pilot.

 

Same for Helicopters.

 

ISE

[GGTharos]

The advantage would go to the DCS aircraft. They can use the extremes of the envelope better, and their systems will tend to do more for the pilot.

 

 

FC Level Aicraft Fight DCS Level Aicraft = is not OK in my opinion

it gives advantage to the FC level aircraft caused by easy flight model and extremly shortcuted systems controlability for the Pilot.

[seikdel]

I guess I didn't think it took that long to get the Shark up and moving, especially in game mode. When you factor in the autostart, the hardest part about working the Shark (i.e. actually flying it) doesn't seem like it'd be that much easier if you took out the details that make DCS what it is. The only way it'd get that much easier is if you put a Novalogic Comanche 4-style chopper in the game.

[FanBoy2006.01]

Personally I am against it; because there is only a limited amount of resources available for development.

 

Thus I would prefer if it all goes to DCS level aircraft.

 

I think a FC level helicopter, especially AH 64/Mi 28/AH 1 would be nice; but it would take manpower away from the development of DCS modules.

 

ED have given the sim community FC3 to bolster the number of aircraft in DCS world. That I think is great. But now they should focus on the highest fidelity possible.

 

Bare in mind that the level of difficulty of DCS aircraft can be reduced in the options menu any way. And maybe there should even be an arcade mode server somewhere.

 

DCS World could revolutionize the PC sim world, if it hasn't already. I hope more and more aircraft get produced and that it will draw in more and more people in.

[EtherealN]

FC> Standalone: FC Level Aircraft Fight each other or AI = OK

 

DCS> Standalone: DCS Level Aircraft Fight each other or AI = OK

 

FC Level Aicraft Fight DCS Level Aicraft = is not OK in my opinion

it gives advantage to the FC level aircraft caused by easy flight model and extremly shortcuted systems controlability for the Pilot.

 

Same for Helicopters.

 

ISE

 

FC planes don't have an "easy flight model". They have a Simple/Standard Flight Model. There is a key difference there; the effect is that they'll sit pretty good most parts of the envelope, but you won't be able to ride the edge of envelope the way the "DCS level" can. Advantage goes to DCS level pilot.

 

FC planes also have simplified avionics, which means that a lot of extremely useful functions are absent, whereas the DCS level aircraft will have all those fancy extra thingies, meaning that the DCS level aircraft is a lot more capable. Thus: advantage to the DCS level pilot.

 

The only time where the "FC level" pilot would have the advantage would be if we are comparing two pilots that both didn't want to nor could spend much time learning. So the FC guy gets a quicker start, but when he hits the "ceiling" of what the aircraft can give him, the DCS pilot can continue learning cool functions that increase his effectiveness and SA.

 

Basically, the idea that FC vs DCS fights are an automatic advantage for the FC people is backwards and plain wrong. What FC and similar stuff however does do is open up the market to those that are simply too busy with work, family etcetera to delve deep into study sims. It's not uncommon for people to only have a few hours per week to themselves after all work and family obligations are covered.

[71st_Mastiff]

as EtherealN 's example.

 

for example I was in a A10A, Furious was in a A10C, he could pull out of the dive way easier that I could.

 

I hit the ground he pulled up and away. So yea the AFM rides the air very well were-as the SFM doesn't. :thumbup:

[ZQuickSilverZ]

FC planes don't have an "easy flight model". They have a Simple/Standard Flight Model. There is a key difference there; the effect is that they'll sit pretty good most parts of the envelope, but you won't be able to ride the edge of envelope the way the "DCS level" can. Advantage goes to DCS level pilot.

 

FC planes also have simplified avionics, which means that a lot of extremely useful functions are absent, whereas the DCS level aircraft will have all those fancy extra thingies, meaning that the DCS level aircraft is a lot more capable. Thus: advantage to the DCS level pilot.

 

The only time where the "FC level" pilot would have the advantage would be if we are comparing two pilots that both didn't want to nor could spend much time learning. So the FC guy gets a quicker start, but when he hits the "ceiling" of what the aircraft can give him, the DCS pilot can continue learning cool functions that increase his effectiveness and SA.

 

Basically, the idea that FC vs DCS fights are an automatic advantage for the FC people is backwards and plain wrong. What FC and similar stuff however does do is open up the market to those that are simply too busy with work, family etcetera to delve deep into study sims. It's not uncommon for people to only have a few hours per week to themselves after all work and family obligations are covered.

 

This ^^^

 

I prefer to think of FC depth as entry level or as I put it before "DCS with training wheels" I might remind you that Ka-50 STARTED as a FC product. I do not see the whole DCS/FC argument applying to helicopters so much since helicopters rarely engage in air to air combat.

Edited March 23, 2013 by ZQuickSilverZ

[Nate--IRL--]

I have always thought there is a market for more FC level modules, the AH-64 for example, would be a great addition.

 

As for concerns about FC level and DCS level integration in Multiplayer, it isn't a problem in my view, as the server/mission designer has complete control over which modules interact online.

 

Nate

[Splat]

I for one would love to see the availability of mid-fidelity aircraft expanded (perhaps by some third-party developers; it's my understanding that the SFM is made available for their use) since it's probably the only way I could convince my brothers to get in on the action with me. :( And, as Nate pointed out, if others don't like to share the airspace with FC-level birds, they don't have to.