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Но отсутствие ракеты в войсках дает пищу для размышлений.

 

Конечно ракета не самая распространённая, но говорить то что её нет войсках не корректно.

 

Вот 34ки с ней, да и те же Су35 вполне себе с ней испытывались (относительно недавно). Да и на Су33 она совершенно точно испытвалась.

 

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And R-27T has the same problem, I will do more test later for ER and ET

Want tracks? The DCS R-27 only barely catches an entirely nonmaneuvering bandit within the graphs numbers, it infact will often fall behind by a few hundred meters. No room for any 3G maneuvering and

I dont know what to tell you more that this broken missiles for more then 3 years now!!! Vietnam standard for 3 years 😞   

Оно может и так, но пока более достоверной информации по ракетам, работающим по таким подвижным целям как ЛА у нас, как я понимаю, нет

 

The only known instance was the B-52 called 'in HARMs way' which was hit by an AGM-88.

 

The story with some details:

 

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/exclusive-former-buff-gunner-reveals-interesting-details-b-52-harms-way-incident/

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Еще раз выскажу свои предположения.

По статистике применения ПРР Харм в разных конфликтах это одна из наименее эффективных ракет. Количество выпущенных ракет на порядок превосходит количество пораженных целей.

 

Трудно предположить эффективность ракеты Р-27Т с учетом того что ее цель не стоит, а летит со скоростью в пару сотен метров в секунду и еще маневрирует.

 

Ну вот во Вьетнаме Шрайк вполне себе попал по Б-52.

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По цвету радиопрозрачного обтекателя у П/ЭП - он желтый - для идентификации ракеты - что бы её можно было визуально отличить от Р

Ты сам придумал или тебе в Вымпеле сообщили?

Я не смотрю телевизор

ЧИЖ

 

Вакансии в ED

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Цвет радиопрозрачного обтекателя может быть любой. Зависит от наполнителя в композите.

 

Here is the ultimate argument for the missiles in the picture being R-27EP:

 

The absence of datalink/reference antennas behind the actuated wings.

 

Or will you also find an excuse for their absence?

 

 

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Нет.

Но отсутствие ракеты в войсках дает пищу для размышлений.

 

Ну тут тема простая - в союзе не довели, а в 2000-х особого смысла в 27П уже не было поскольку 77-1 разрабатывалась. Для нас 27П/ЭП могла бы быть некой затычкой до введения чего-то 77-1 носящего, что случится, видимо, не очень скоро


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The only known instance was the B-52 called 'in HARMs way' which was hit by an AGM-88.

 

The story with some details:

 

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/exclusive-former-buff-gunner-reveals-interesting-details-b-52-harms-way-incident/

 

Да, слышал, я просто скорее про ракеты воздух-воздух или зенитные говорил

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Here is the ultimate argument for the missiles in the picture being R-27EP:

 

The absence of datalink/reference antennas behind the actuated wings.

 

Or will you also find an excuse for their absence?

 

Does it mean it's EP or just ER without data-link? Or maybe it's just an instrumented missile?

 

So no, it's not the 'ultimate argument'. I think someone had brought far, far better arguments to me in the English forum.

 

I wonder how people will react if an EP is added and it goes straight for chaff ... I mean it's not like it knows that this reflection isn't the target radar.

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Does it mean it's EP or just ER without data-link? Or maybe it's just an instrumented missile?

 

These antennas are not just datalink, they are also the reference antennas to get the doppler shift of the target for the closure speed meassurement.

R-27R/ER need those antennas for guidance.

 

It is HIGHLY likely that those pictures show actual R-27EP.

 

This radome? Only seen with R-27P/EP material.

No datalink antennas? Cannot be R-27R/ER (And also no EA).

No stripes or fixed control surfaces? No dummy missile.


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This radome? Only seen with R-27P/EP material.

 

Yes, present those, not illogical arguments that color=missile type :)

 

I also didn't say dummy missile, I said instrumented.

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So we have a picture of two R-27EP on a Su-34 that look exactly like the R-27EP would look, but those must be instrumented missiles??

 

By the same logic I can argue that any picture showing Aim-120C is actually showing a training version of Aim-120B, so ED, please remove Aim-120C from the game!

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I believe it is trying to say that the picture might just be an instrumented round with telemetry like what you'd use in a testing range to see things like fly off range

 

No. Test rockets don't look like that. This is an ordinary non-test air base (47th separate mixed aviation regiment, "Baltimore" is a military airfield in Voronezh.).

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Su-34 looks the most logical choice to use this type of weapon.

 

But I think, it is not a question of "add or not" It is a question "make it closer to real expectations = useless in DCS" "make it useful, but unrealistic = no way, redboys, you're only 15% of our profit"

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Su-34 looks the most logical choice to use this type of weapon.

 

But I think, it is not a question of "add or not" It is a question "make it closer to real expectations = useless in DCS" "make it useful, but unrealistic = no way, redboys, you're only 15% of our profit"

 

I think a normal Flanker is a much better launch plattform. Higher speed and altitute for higher launch range, to shoot down AWACS or other fighters from far away.

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