Max1mus Posted May 23, 2021 Share Posted May 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, Chizh said: Есть треки? R-27_all_miss.trkAIM-7M_some_hit.trk В этот раз 100% одинаковые дальности и скорости ракет. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted May 23, 2021 Author ED Team Share Posted May 23, 2021 49 минут назад, Max1mus сказал: R-27_all_miss.trkAIM-7M_some_hit.trk В этот раз 100% одинаковые дальности и скорости ракет. Это дело случая. Вот попадание Р-27 в этой же ситуации. R-27 vs F-15 tail on.trk Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max1mus Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 3 hours ago, Chizh said: Это дело случая. Вот попадание Р-27 в этой же ситуации. R-27 vs F-15 tail on.trk 39.69 kB · 2 downloads Смотрите на последние ракеты в моих треках. Когда я перестал диполи бросать, -7 делает поворот и попадает. Р-27 это не делают. Или ушли за диполи, или нет. - AIM-7. New ground clutter model also applied to all AIM-7 family missiles. Почему это только было зделано для спаррова? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nighthawk2174 Posted May 24, 2021 Share Posted May 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Max1mus said: Смотрите на последние ракеты в моих треках. Когда я перестал диполи бросать, -7 делает поворот и попадает. Р-27 это не делают. Или ушли за диполи, или нет. - AIM-7. New ground clutter model also applied to all AIM-7 family missiles. Почему это только было зделано для спаррова? Р-27Ер все еще находится на старом ракетном коде, который, вероятно, несовместим с новыми изменениями. Следовательно, missile_data и missile_table lua вместо одного файла. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted May 24, 2021 Author ED Team Share Posted May 24, 2021 3 часа назад, nighthawk2174 сказал: Р-27Ер все еще находится на старом ракетном коде, который, вероятно, несовместим с новыми изменениями. Следовательно, missile_data и missile_table lua вместо одного файла. Да, верно. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Breakshot Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 22 hours ago, Chizh said: Да, верно. Это значит что будут доработаны по стандарту 7М? Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted May 25, 2021 Author ED Team Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 час назад, Breakshot сказал: Это значит что будут доработаны по стандарту 7М? Да, будут. 1 Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breakshot Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Chizh said: Да, будут. Все, тогда ждем! Спасибо Tim "Breakshot" Mytrofanov | C.O. of 51 ПВО / 100 КИАП Regiments | twitch.tv/51breakshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavarish palkovnik Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 If somebody, somehow, somewhere and sometimes will be in position to take a look how rocket engine of 27ER is really executed, I would be grateful if possible to make comparisons with this design of mine. It would mean to me a lot from some strange unexplainable reason Dimensionally, in weight of fuel (energy potential), in technological capabilities and in rules of internal ballistic this as drawn correspond to expected output (burning time and thrust to time function) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 Nicely done. Is the white delineating the sustain grain and the cross-hatch area the boost, or is the white the void volume? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavarish palkovnik Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) Fuel block (in my perspective) has крестообразный канал all way long but perimeter is not same. Front side is substaining and highly boost assisting, rear side simple as that boosting only and middle differential is key for everything to have what expected. Edited May 26, 2021 by tavarish palkovnik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 26, 2021 Share Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) Sorry, something went wrong in the translation. I do see that you have the 'star' chamber all the way through. Also from seeing some of the graphs previously posted it appears that the boost/sustain grain is either only slightly different, or there's no difference at all and the slight boost/sustain power difference may be made up by other means. Edit: I am asking because I am curious. My knowledge is superficial, just enough to understand some of what you have done. I have not attempted to do the math on rocket motor mechanics though on the surface the equations don't look that scary. Edited May 26, 2021 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 12 hours ago, tavarish palkovnik said: Fuel block (in my perspective) has крестообразный канал all way long but perimeter is not same. Front side is substaining and highly boost assisting, rear side simple as that boosting only and middle differential is key for everything to have what expected. А центральный канал белого цвета чем является? Это тоже топливо или что-то иное? AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + Thustmaster TWCS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | HP Reverb G2 FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Маэстро Posted May 27, 2021 ED Team Share Posted May 27, 2021 Это один из лучей звездочки в разрезе, т.е. там пустота. YouTube Channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tavarish palkovnik Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 Центральный канал белого цвета, это поверхности заряда которые горит. Все есть в геометрии и соотношении поверхностей. Плюс много других факторов. 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Any ETA on when the AIM-120 will receive HOJ effects? 1 100th KIAP: https://discord.gg/hnyfbdHdMN 51st PVO: https://discord.gg/R4sYCNrnym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted June 5, 2021 Author ED Team Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 часа назад, Rich сказал: Any ETA on when the AIM-120 will receive HOJ effects? 120s have HOJ Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chizh said: 120s have HOJ Can 120's loft against a jamming target in reality? Deka's SD-10 doesn't loft on a jamming target and is a newer missile Edited June 6, 2021 by Rich 2 1 100th KIAP: https://discord.gg/hnyfbdHdMN 51st PVO: https://discord.gg/R4sYCNrnym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, Rich said: Can 120's loft against a jamming target in reality? Deka's SD-10 can't loft on a jamming target and is a newer missile The only thing that matter is the available information, not which missile is newer. Lack of loft is due to denial of range. Yep, probably the 120 should be doing something similar unless there's some way to inform it of the range or if it uses a lofting technique to deal with it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, GGTharos said: The only thing that matter is the available information, not which missile is newer. Lack of loft is due to denial of range. Yep, probably the 120 should be doing something similar unless there's some way to inform it of the range or if it uses a lofting technique to deal with it. I always see missile introduction date argued here as the main way of comparing capability between missile so I apologize if this doesn't follow. Can you go into more detail on "if it uses a lofting technique to deal with it"? 100th KIAP: https://discord.gg/hnyfbdHdMN 51st PVO: https://discord.gg/R4sYCNrnym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Chizh said: 120s have HOJ The HOJ appears to give the missile perfect guidance. It lofts as if it was fired on a non-jamming target without support. Fired on a jamming target beyond burn through range the missile should propably not loft, it has no range information for that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rich said: I always see missile introduction date argued here as the main way of comparing capability between missile so I apologize if this doesn't follow. Can you go into more detail on "if it uses a lofting technique to deal with it"? It's just geometry using the look angle as opposed a more efficient loft. None of this applies to DCS. As to why the date isn't important here - as far as dates go it's all about which missiles were being used in the same time period for most arguments. Generally, loft is triggered if range information is available, and it's not exactly a new technique. Edited June 5, 2021 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted June 6, 2021 Author ED Team Share Posted June 6, 2021 13 часов назад, Rich сказал: Can 120's loft against a jamming target in reality? We don't know. Without knowing the range, it is difficult to set the correct loft trajectory to save energy. We will remove the loft in this case. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxAlfa Posted June 6, 2021 Share Posted June 6, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chizh said: We don't know. Without knowing the range, it is difficult to set the correct loft trajectory to save energy. We will remove the loft in this case. Can also R-27, R-77 HOJ be changed from Pure to Proportional Navigation? ------- All the people keep asking for capabilities to be modelled.... I want the limitations to be modelled.... limitations make for realistic simulation. Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a bit you realize the pig likes it. Long time ago in galaxy far far away: https://www.deviantart.com/alfafox/gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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