Trouble Taking Off??

[WildBillKelsoe]

hello, I tried your ball approach, and fully agree. However, I tried using different weapon combinations, and the aircraft did very well with nominal load of 2*64's, and 68% fuel. Other loads like full HVAR and 50 % fuel produced catastrophic results, with the usual tip off the runway.

[WildFire]

Yeah, once you get a feel for how it moves on takeoff and get the whole sway motion down using the BAI, transferring to heads up will be a lot easier. Its all about getting used to how she moves.

Edited May 31, 2012 by 159th_Viper
Rule 1.2 Infringement.

[macedk]

I remember when some Falcon 4.0 mates and I went to IL-2.

 

My first take off in IL-2 was blasting down the runway and then lift-off 20 degrees nose up. Well I learned something about aerodynamics real quick that day :). It was always funny to see the jet guys first take-off in a prop plane. Breakturn were another good laugh(nice spiral's matie).

 

You got the feel the force ;)

[WildBillKelsoe]

Yeah, once you get a feel for how it moves on takeoff and get the whole sway motion down using the BAI, transferring to heads up will be a lot easier. Its all about getting used to how she moves.

 

And by the way, thank you for pointing out the tail-madness thing. When the tail starts to 'want' to lift off, that is when you smoothly and gently push the stick forward. I will practice more takeoffs under different configurations now, and post tracks at each observation.

[Joe Kurr]

Maybe this page can be of use in learning to fly a taildragger.

 

It helped me a lot (went from occasional successful takeoffs to occasional screwups).

 

Takeoff in a Taildragger

[Sharpe]

I take it dealing with the torque this thing puts out requires practice, practice and lots of practice?

[Yo-Yo]

Yes, the first 6th feel in the sim is a feel of acceleration. The same thing as in in-sim formation flying. Your brain must learn to take the 1st and the 2nd derivatives from position info with a lack of natural acceleration feeling, binocular sight, etc.

[Suchacz]

Let me simplify it: In sim flying we are missing the most important sense. Our butt sitting in the pilot seat :smilewink:

 

Eyes are the second and ears the third most important :music_whistling:

Edited May 31, 2012 by Suchacz

[Shaderhacker]

smoothly and gently push the stick forward..

 

OMG! I can't believe it was this statement all along!! I just took off 4 times in a row without crashing!! :thumbup:

[WildFire]

I'll have to check that out. I've never used the stick to bring the tail up, always let her come up on her own. I'll try it out. And good page Joe-

[Shaderhacker]

I'll have to check that out. I've never used the stick to bring the tail up, always let her come up on her own. I'll try it out. And good page Joe-

 

Don't misunderstand.

 

When you first takeoff you will have the stick all the way back to establish stability. Once you start to feel the plane bobbing forward, you will gently push the stick forward until you are in the NEUTRAL position. He does NOT mean pushing the stick forward from neutral!

[WildBillKelsoe]

Don't misunderstand.

 

When you first takeoff you will have the stick all the way back to establish stability. Once you start to feel the plane bobbing forward, you will gently push the stick forward until you are in the NEUTRAL position. He does NOT mean pushing the stick forward from neutral!

 

In fact, I do. I meant as soon as the tail starts wobbling, that is when you push the stick gradually, gently, and smoothly forward crossing neutral, then floor the propeller to full increase when the tarmac becomes visible ahead. 120, rotate back same as above. No flaps needed, no wicked trimming except rt rudder 6-8 degrees, nose heavy 1-2 degrees and center the ball.

 

By the way, if you gradually (boringly) open throttle with prop RPM lever at halfway from run, the amount of correction for rudder becomes insignificant, that if you are so familiar with the aircraft by now, the rudder correction is for keeping her on the runway. And I've tried taking off veering off and it also worked so long that the ball is centered, which is the novelty and highlight of this entire thread. I'm just adding the 'finer' points if so.

 

Oh, and the stick doesn't have to be all the way back between your balls. Just an inch or 1/2 inch aft of neutral. I also discovered this, that the more the stick is to d1ck (sorry), the more you are liable to not takeoff correctly, specially with rudder held down.

Edited June 1, 2012 by WildBillKelsoe

[WildFire]

Yeah it had to be forward. As of now I leave the stick in the neutral position all the way down the runway. I hold it back on initial start only to make sure the prop doesnt pull the nose down.

 

Normally she lifts off quite fine without using the stick until the last moment, but you have got to get the feel of the rudder really well. Like I said initially once im rolling I let go of the stick, the tailwheel will stay locked in the neutral position, and its one less thing to worry about.

 

But I'll give it a go. I am a bit hesitant using the stick at all cause I dont want to introduce any dynamics I'm not used to, but we'll see what happens.

 

** Oh and crosswind takeoffs suck. Beyond infinity. Im still learning.

Edited June 1, 2012 by WildFire

[WildBillKelsoe]

I made this for all of us having trouble with takeoff.

 

[Tailspin45]

Not to be a curmudgeon, but I maintain that all these contortions are necessary only because something isn't right with the flight/ground handling model.

[Sharpe]

Not to be a curmudgeon, but I maintain that all these contortions are necessary only because something isn't right with the flight/ground handling model.

 

you worry too much (again), it's a beta.

[cichlidfan]

you worry too much (again), it's a beta.

 

If you are not vocal about issues, they will still be there in the released product. Especially considering that the status list here makes no mention of ground handling being a WIP. In fact, it lists the undercarriage as being complete!

Edited June 1, 2012 by cichlidfan

[Ramstein]

I made this for all of us having trouble with takeoff.

 

haha lolol.... your off color remarks in your little movie were funny, it sounds like us when we are taking off on a carrier in IL-2, on a notoriously hard aircarft or loadout.... while we cuss when we get to the end of the ship...

 

LOLOL

:doh::joystick:

[Ali Fish]

just thought id throw this out there, Grass TO&L`s are a new challenge \o/ and one i think everyone should endulge in, being a bit more sticky, taking off from grass is a new expereince that will prepare you better for the hard stuff in terms of learning the aircraft before it kills you.