bug2 Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hi all!!!! I started this project some time ago, but I forgot to post pic of it here.... Ok, it's not a fighter, but at least original..... Here is my work: You can find some old pics on the C6 forum/lockon/skin and addon/room prowler.... Now the request...lol I have some probleme with the rear landing gear motion.... If you have some info on that part, you're welcome!!!! Constructive criticism are also welcome... CU soon and sorry for my bad english!!! Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Scythe Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Great stuff. However, you'll probably also have to model the EA-6's ALQ-99 jammer pods too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Not to mention their functionality - not sure how well LOMAC would handle stand-off jamming. The model looks extremely good (very professional job there Bug2!) but unless ED makes some changes to the LOMAC engine it will most likely be limited to cosmetic uses and maybe firing the odd HARM or two. This is probably one of the drawbacks of 3rd party modelling: development is poorly coordinated and lacks focus. From a rational point of view aircraft like the F-15E or redoing the F-14 and MiG-31 would be the most desirable projects and yet noone has even touched these sofar ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allochtoon Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Wow, very clean mesh you got there. :) What is your current polycount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingKid Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 This is probably one of the drawbacks of 3rd party modelling: development is poorly coordinated and lacks focus. While there is some truth to the above, I think the EA-6B is a great choice. Even if the sim doesn't do anything special with its ECM, a designer can use it in a campaign on a "strategic" level - if the EA-6B is shot down during one mission, active enemy SAMs may appear in more forward positions on the next. I also think the F-15E is something ED really needs to do itself. AFAIK 3D modellers cannot modify ED's existing F-15C model, which uses a derivative file format (?). It seems inefficient to ask artists to redo so much work by drawing an entirely new F-15E from scratch, when there is a superb F-15C already done - and yet, it seems that this is what we are hoping for. -SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingKid Posted April 2, 2005 Share Posted April 2, 2005 Now the request...lol I have some probleme with the rear landing gear motion... Hi bug2, Do you have the journal, "World Air Power Journal" Volume 30 from Autumn 1997? There are two photos there that appear to show the main landing gear during forward retraction. If this article is not already one of your references, then I can send you some scans. -SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Eagle Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Looks very good and smooth and very very nice! And ur english isn't too bad ;) @swingkid. But the F-15E Strike Eagle is a twin seater right ? I thought people allways said that twin seaters weren't good for lock-on.it wouldn't be able too get it or something :s (srry crappy english) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caretaker Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 But the F-15E Strike Eagle is a twin seater right ? I thought people allways said that twin seaters weren't good for lock-on.it wouldn't be able too get it or something :s (srry crappy english) I think this cannot be said often enough: None of these plane projects will lead to new flyable planes. Either they will replace a current, lower quality model in the current Lock On version, or they may lead to a new AI plane. Including those is much, much easier (once the 3D model is ready) and less time-consuming than producing a flyable plane. And it doesn't matter how many virtual AI pilots sit in AI planes :) The Strike Eagle is the premier strike aircraft of the US Air Force since many years, and its absence is probably the biggest gap in Lock On's planeset. So I would also like to see it modelled at some point. But it definitely won't appear as a flyable anytime soon. Caretaker ED Beta Test Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug2 Posted April 4, 2005 Author Share Posted April 4, 2005 Great stuff. However, you'll probably also have to model the EA-6's ALQ-99 jammer pods too. Yes, I know, it's on my "to do list"..... What is your current polycount? I don't know exactly(around 28000)....lol Some part are already mirored, other not, I have a lot of dummy part that I will remove at the end, the model need to be optimised too.... But I'll respect the 50000 poly limit that I read somewhere..... Not to mention their functionality - not sure how well LOMAC would handle stand-off jamming. The model looks extremely good (very professional job there Bug2!) but unless ED makes some changes to the LOMAC engine it will most likely be limited to cosmetic uses and maybe firing the odd HARM or two. I agree, but this is an Ed challenge!!!! They'll have the model, and they'll do what they want with it..... About my choice: even if the F14 or the Mig31 need to be reworked and are not at the same level than the F18 or the SU39, they are in the game.... I wanted to make a new plane that could bring something new to the game, and something different from the classic fighter or bomber(bye F15E!!! )..... I hesitated between the EF111 and the Prowler, but I have more doc about the last one.... I think this cannot be said often enough: None of these plane projects will lead to new flyable planes. Either they will replace a current, lower quality model in the current Lock On version, or they may lead to a new AI plane. Including those is much, much easier (once the 3D model is ready) and less time-consuming than producing a flyable plane. And it doesn't matter how many virtual AI pilots sit in AI planes Yes, I know!!!! CU soon!!!! Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug2 Posted April 4, 2005 Author Share Posted April 4, 2005 Hi bug2, Do you have the journal, "World Air Power Journal" Volume 30 from Autumn 1997? There are two photos there that appear to show the main landing gear during forward retraction. If this article is not already one of your references, then I can send you some scans. -SK Hi SwingKid!!! No, I don't have World Air Power Journal Volume 30, so your photos are welcome!!!:D I just have one where the landing gear is retracting but It see nothing....:icon_frow CU Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingKid Posted April 5, 2005 Share Posted April 5, 2005 http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b01.jpg http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b02.jpg http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b03.jpg http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b04.jpg http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b05.jpg http://www.ecf.utoronto.ca/~pavacic/scans/ea6b06.jpg -SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Eagle Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 BUMP. :D Any update ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 Bug2: Since the EA-6B is based on the A-6 airframe, wouldn't the gear retraction sequence be the same on both? If so you could look for references on the A-6's gear or ask the people who modelled the A-6 for SF:P1 for their material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug2 Posted April 11, 2005 Author Share Posted April 11, 2005 Hi all!!! Thank's SK for your pics!!! Unfortunately, they don't help, but I put them in my collection..... ;) Bug2: Since the EA-6B is based on the A-6 airframe, wouldn't the gear retraction sequence be the same on both? If so you could look for references on the A-6's gear or ask the people who modelled the A-6 for SF:P1 for their material. Hum, I had this idea too, and had a look at WOV(one of my friend own it...), but the models don't have this part well modeled(you can't detail those parts with a polys limit of 5000.... :icon_frow Further more, the motion is quite funny..... :) More update soon(in 2 weeks as they say!!!! :p ).... CU Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug2 Posted April 13, 2005 Author Share Posted April 13, 2005 Hi!!! Small dev update: The mesh is nearly finnished, I just have to add some more air intake, a few aerial, and the rear landing gear.... :icon_roll 46350 polys with the payload and the landing gear(even if they don't appear on the pics...). CU Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Eagle Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW. That Insane the detail! Looks awesome detailed , maybe better then the Su-25T!! Great job. And u call this a little update ? ;) Great job. Are u gonna create a cockpit so we can fly it or are not gonna do it? Anyway , Great job! Is it lo-mac only or allso Fs2004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VapoR Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Man that rocks!! The US definetely needs a few more planes to use on the carriers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet_169th Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Its very sad that the prowlers jamming will not get modelled. I have heard from a marine that worked on em, that they could make enemy radar 'see' a spike where ever they pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwingKid Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 That looks amazing! I have heard from a marine that worked on em, that they could make enemy radar 'see' a spike where ever they pleased. Assuming the radar is old enough. AFAIK it doesn't work against phased arrays or monopulse. -SK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trident Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Fantastic! Will you animate the folding wings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywall23 Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 W00T! Fantastic!!! :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prophet_169th Posted April 13, 2005 Share Posted April 13, 2005 Yeah I am not sure of the details, but he was pretty adamite on his opinion that the Prowler kept the rest of the planes in the air. He said, most pilots he talked to would never fly a mission without em. Pretty general comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kroll Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Dude, Incredible! Can we talk you into making a A-6 next? Plus some of the different versions KA-6. You've got mad skills brother. Great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyleggs Posted April 14, 2005 Share Posted April 14, 2005 Incredible model!!! I'd love to see the Prowler and it's ECM implemented in the future. As far as the Prowler's effectiveness is concerned, the last time a US strike went in enemy territory without Prowler support was 1991 (Desert Storm 1) and that flight of F-16s paid dearly. US strike packages do not ingress into bad guy land without SEAD (F-16 CJ) nor escort/stand off jamming from the Prowler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug2 Posted April 20, 2005 Author Share Posted April 20, 2005 Fantastic! Will you animate the folding wings? lol a prowler without folding wing is not a prowler..... :D CU Bug2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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