Omega Oska Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 In the game they just pop out from the upper part of you plane, but from where actually? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug pray Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 i heard that from somewhere between the engines:). Actually... The su 27 has chutes and flares in that cone there... Correct me if i'm wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverine Posted March 25, 2005 Share Posted March 25, 2005 No need for correction. Above photos show early production Su-27 chaff/flare box and the later Su-37 chaff/flare box Asus ROG Strix B-560-F, Intel i9-11900k, EVGA GTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra, Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-24000, 1TB WD Blue SN550 NVME SSD, Asus PB287Q 28" 3840x2160 TN 4K, Thrustmaster Warthog + F/A-18 HOTAS, Thrustmaster MFD Cougar, Thrustmaster TFRP rudder, Razer orbweaver chroma. The artist formerly known as VVS 504 Wolverine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Oska Posted March 26, 2005 Author Share Posted March 26, 2005 No need for correction. Above photos show early production Su-27 chaff/flare box and the later Su-37 chaff/flare box Thanks. Referring to the Su-27 photo, are they coming out from that tiny little square on the left side of the cone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Why on Sov a/c do flares come out the top ... if you turn away from an IR missile, I guess you want to get the flares between you and the AAM ASAP, this seems more effect with bottom mounted flare displensers ... as you turn, the bottom deployed flares seem to cover your path. A better solution would seem to be multiple flare dispensers around the a/c that could deploy fales/chaff in the optimum position for a given intercept angle ... do any a/c have this? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug pray Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 At big altitude it doesnt matter, i guess.... BUt. at low one, more effective is to deploy them to the top, :), because there's earth below.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 At big altitude it doesnt matter' date=' i guess.... BUt. at low one, more effective is to deploy them to the top, :), because there's earth below....[/quote'] I would say the opposite .. low down you are going to get shot at by MANPADs from below ... so you want them between you and the ground quickly! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leafer Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 but what if you're really low-hugging the ground kinda low. Up is the way, imo. Also, I would think that a pilot would break hard left or right as soon as he pumps out those flare. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Also, I would think that a pilot would break hard left or right as soon as he pumps out those flare. But that's what I mean ... if you break into a hard turn, and the flares are coming out 'above' you, they are inside your turn, and I would have thought you need them outside - between you and the threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Chizh Posted March 26, 2005 ED Team Share Posted March 26, 2005 The selection one good place for chaffs and flares cartridges for all causes in combat not that simple. For IR SAM the best way release countermeasures to bottom hemisphere. But if you sit in the Su or MiG cockpit and on your six the F-15 with big desire to kick your ass with Sidewinders, i think the best way will shoot flares back and higher. :) Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kula66 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 As you say there is no 1 good place ... its different for different scenarios. Which is why I was wondering if any a/c have multiple dispensers around the plane and the EW system selects the best spread to fire from mutliple dispensers ... James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plug pray Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 Write it to the Sukhoi design office;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilBivol-1 Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 One explanation I've run across somewhere is that the upward firing flares were implemented based on experience in Afghanistan, where much of the MANPAD threat came from mountain tops above the low-flying helicopters. Of course, the irony is that the jets never flew that low in 'Stan, while the flare shots slapped on the choppers as a result of the IR SAM threat fired 'laterally' to the sides. ?? - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldcrew Posted March 26, 2005 Share Posted March 26, 2005 I think we can trust that the people who designed to plane knew the best place and direction to launch countermeasures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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