Cobra847 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Once again, would like to thank everyone for the great feedback and input. The next patch will see little for the Forrestal as we've been leaning heavily towards the Viggen, but we're aiming to ship a larger chunk of changes and fixes in January. 4 4 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panny Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 6:13 AM, Gizzy said: Yes, with the Forrestal and indeed any carrier spawning one F14 next to another will cause will cause one of the aircraft to explode or more likely suffer a fire and damage to one wingtip. For any sort of gameplay the F14 and Carrier are crippled. It has been posted in many threads many times but unfortunately no response other than an 'investigating' tag on one post thats been there for a long time. An acknowledgement of the problem even with a cursory 'its on the to do list' is better than a silence and avoid some of the frustration. Tell me about it. Drives me insane and really kills half the experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Found another detail which I missed on the first post. The AN/SPS-48C is almost completely devoid of its supporting structure on the rear of the antenna, which kinda makes its side profile look a bit odd. The rear of Forrestal's AN/SPS-48C, note the lack of structure on the rear of the antenna array: Ditto, but a side profile, note how it's essentially flat: Compare that to the real antenna, on the real Forrestal (source) Note the large box-like structure running up the centre of the rear of the antenna, and the various trusswork connecting it. Compare this against the free Stennis (obviously much lower quality, and not that accurate, but it is present): Ditto, but on the Theodore Roosevelt (Supercarrier), this gets it pretty much perfect: A little side note, but also note how in the real image, the antenna isn't one solid plane, but is actually a mesh. I'd also like to mention though that HB's Forrestal actually has the horizontal elements of the antenna face in 3D (and consequently has the highest quality antenna face of all 3). The other 2 also treat the antenna as one solid plane, though they should be the AN/SPS-48E NTU, which has more of it 'filled in' as it were (a view of the front, and a view from behind). Edited February 5, 2022 by Northstar98 actually finished the post this time 1 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Northstar98 said: Found another detail which I missed on the first post. The AN/SPS-48C is almost completely devoid of its supporting structure on the rear of the antenna, which kinda makes its side profile look a bit odd. The rear of Forrestal's AN/SPS-48C, not the lack of structure on the rear of the antenna: Ditto, but a side profile, note how it's essentially flat: Compare that to the real antenna, on the real Forrestal (source Note the large box-like structure running up the centre of the rear of the antenna, and the various trusswork connecting it. Compare this against the free Stennis (obviously much lower quality, and not that accurate, but it is present): Ditto, but on the Theodore Roosevelt (Supercarrier), this gets it pretty much perfect: A little side note, but also note how in the real image, the antenna isn't one solid plane, but is actually a mesh. I'd also like to mention though that HB's Forrestal actually has the horizontal elements of the antenna face in 3D (and consequently has the highest quality antenna face of all 3). The other 2 also treat the antenna as one solid plane, though they should be the AN/SPS-48E NTU, which has more of it 'filled in' as it were (a view of the front, and a view from behind). This model is slated to be entirely replaced/remodeled exactly for this reason, likewise with a few of the others. But good feedback and well spotted! Edited December 19, 2021 by Cobra847 6 1 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northstar98 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 8 hours ago, Cobra847 said: This model is slated to be entirely replaced/remodeled exactly for this reason, likewise with a few of the others. But good feedback and well spotted! Cheers Cobra! the Forrestal really is a work of art, and as far as the AN/SPS-48C goes the Forrestal does have the highest quality antenna face of all 3 ships . To be honest, I feel like I'm clutching at straws with some of the points I'm raising, and I feel that unless you were specifically looking for them, most would have gone unnoticed. 1 Modules I own: F-14A/B, Mi-24P, AV-8B N/A, AJS 37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Hello @Cobra847, As already stated the Forrestal is a piece of art, andI think already suggested but did you considered to create deck liveries? weathered/less weathered, usually i like to simulate the deck in the beginning of the deployment (clean) and during deployment (weathered). And some users already did some similar but i would like to see it from you. It´s a detail, and low priority, but i think it´s neat Merry Christmas and thank you for you outstanding work! F. 2 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood-n-Guts Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) First of all I want to congratulate Heatblur for their great work on this aircraft carrier. For people like me who like to "decorate" the aircraft carrier, I would like this platform to be fixed to be able to place the deck personnel on it. In the photos it can be seen that by placing the deck personnel on it, they fall to a lower level. Sorry for my terrible english... Edited December 19, 2021 by Blood-n-Guts 7 FORTIS FORTUNA ADIUVAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood-n-Guts Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Same case here ... It would be nice to fix these aisles as well, since the deck staff often use it a lot. I know it's stupid, but these little details add realism to this great work. Greetings people 1 FORTIS FORTUNA ADIUVAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Blood-n-Guts said: Same case here ... It would be nice to fix these aisles as well, since the deck staff often use it a lot. I know it's stupid, but these little details add realism to this great work. Greetings people Agreed. But, that may induce other problems... I use the Deck crew in the aisles in the Supercarrier and i found out that AI aircraft won´t take of from CAT 3 or 4, only after removing the deck crew from the aisle. 1 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood-n-Guts Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Greetings fagulha ... Hey, I didn't know that ... Thanks 1 FORTIS FORTUNA ADIUVAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Blood-n-Guts said: Greetings fagulha ... Hey, I didn't know that ... Thanks Neither do i, it took awhile to figure why AI didn´t take off. Little odd to be honest, the aisle is below/outside the deck and never thought that could be an issue. - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood-n-Guts Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, fagulha said: Neither do i, it took awhile to figure why AI didn´t take off. Little odd to be honest, the aisle is below/outside the deck and never thought that could be an issue. Placing the ground crew is very complicated, the AI behaves strangely and the placement of the aircraft on the deck is very complicated, but I like how it looks, there are many limitations, but it looks good ... 1 FORTIS FORTUNA ADIUVAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubanloewe Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Hi, since i´m a Ninja now i have time play around with some games.... The Forrestal would be my favourite Carrier if they would implement a working deck crew and also a Pilot in the F-14. It has some minor bugs and issues but i can live with that. Only thing is a operating deck crew and yes i would pay for this feature as a option in the future ! i played some days now with it .... 1 WIN 10; i9-9900K@4,8GHz; Gigabyte Z390 Aorus;32GB Corsair DDR4 3600MHz; 2TB Samsung SSD; GeForce GTX1080 8GB Seahawk; 34" AW3418DW; MS FFB2 Stick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) On 12/20/2021 at 3:41 PM, Blood-n-Guts said: Placing the ground crew is very complicated, the AI behaves strangely and the placement of the aircraft on the deck is very complicated, but I like how it looks, there are many limitations, but it looks good ... Don´t have any problems placing ground crew neither placing AI aircrafts on deck. What may be sometimes problematic (like the issue i mentioned in previous post) is to get a balance between statics and AI taxi routes but when needed i go to modelviewer, load the carrier and the taxi routes to check where to place my static objects. I use photos and other resources to see where to place statics as in real life, etc. No big deal for me to be honest, but i´m used to do it and someone who is not used to work with the ME and the deck may find difficult, of course. Edited December 23, 2021 by fagulha 1 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood-n-Guts Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 3 hours ago, fagulha said: Don´t have any problems placing ground crew neither placing AI aircrafts on deck. What may be sometimes problematic (like the issue i mentioned in previous post) is to get a balance between statics and AI taxi routes but when needed i go to modelviewer, load the carrier and the taxi routes to check where to place my static objects. I use photos and other resources to see where to place statics as in real life, etc. No big deal for me to be honest, but i´m used to do it and someone who is not used to work with the ME and the deck may find difficult, of course. Excellent idea, thus saving time of loading the game for each modification of the deck personnel and static objects ... FORTIS FORTUNA ADIUVAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fagulha Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Blood-n-Guts said: Excellent idea, thus saving time of loading the game for each modification of the deck personnel and static objects ... I have templates that took me days and months to improve, but it was worthwhile, now if i want to do any changes/start a new mission i just load the template. About the saving time, along the way i learned the deck positions and where/how to place statics and do it with fewer errors. Edited December 23, 2021 by fagulha 1 - "Don't be John Wayne in the Break if you´re going to be Jerry Lewis on the Ball". About carrier ops: "The younger pilots are still quite capable of holding their heads forward against the forces. The older ones have been doing this too long and know better; sore necks make for poor sleep.' PC: I7 4790K 4.6ghz | 32GB RAM | Zotac GTX 1080Ti 11Gb DDR5x | Water cooler NZXT AIO Kraken x53 | 3.5TB (x4 SSD´s) | Valve Index| Andre´s JeatSeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeedzWD40 Posted December 23, 2021 Share Posted December 23, 2021 Just a note that the Forrestal still takes damage on aircraft trapping/landing as of the current update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustBelt Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 So do real carriers "technically". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisedByWolves Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 12/23/2021 at 2:25 PM, NeedzWD40 said: Just a note that the Forrestal still takes damage on aircraft trapping/landing as of the current update. How hard are you landing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D4n Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 Has Heatblur already asked ED to add their Supercarrier deck-crew code to the Forrestal (for Supercarrier-owners)? (Since the Forrestal would be even more immersive with a moving deck-crew) 2 DCS Wishlist: 2K11 Krug SA-4 Ganef SAM, VR-TrackIR icons next to player names in score-chart PvP: 100+ manual player-kills with Stingers on a well known dynamic campaign server - 100+ VTOL FARP landings & 125+ hours AV-8B, F-14 crew, royal dutch airforce F-16C - PvP campaigns since 2013 DCS server-admins: please adhere to a common sense gaming industry policy as most server admins throughout the industry do. (After all there's enough hostility on the internet already which really doesn't help anyone. Thanks.) Dell Visor VR headset, Ryzen 5 5600 (6C/12T), RTX 2060 - basic DCS-community rule-of-thumb: Don't believe bad things that a PvP pilot claims about another PvP pilot without having analyzed the existing evidence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarbossPetross Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 17 часов назад, D4n сказал: Has Heatblur already asked ED to add their Supercarrier deck-crew code to the Forrestal (for Supercarrier-owners)? (Since the Forrestal would be even more immersive with a moving deck-crew) I second that. Turns out SC has spoiled me with folks lining me up for the catapult starting position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle7907 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Me three.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Win 10, AMD FX9590/water cooled, 32GB RAM, 250GB SSD system, 1TB SSD (DCS installed), 2TB HD, Warthog HOTAS, MFG rudders, Track IR 5, LG Ultrawide, Logitech Speakers w/sub, Fans, Case, cell phone, wallet, keys.....printer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r4y30n Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Has Heatblur already asked ED to add their Supercarrier deck-crew code to the Forrestal (for Supercarrier-owners)? (Since the Forrestal would be even more immersive with a moving deck-crew)Let’s say ED agreed to share all the SC assets. They won’t work on the Forrestal without setup and testing by HB and who’s gonna pay for that?Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see it happen as much as the next guy but remember, the Forrestal is a free carrier, much the same as the Stennis is a free carrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawk1971 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 (edited) I think it would be easier - provided both parties had any interest in doing it - if HB consented for ED to incorporate the Forrestal into the paid SC module with all the SC features. The exact same treatment ED is (was?) planning to give the Stennis (one full fidelity version for the payware SC module, while the barebones version remains free to use). Sure, it's probably not that easy to implement in case of the Forrestal (different dimensions may require a different AI pathfinding logic) as with the Stennis, where you'd probably just need to replace the CVN number on one of the existing "Roosevelt" subclass models (plus maybe some minor cosmetic changes). But. I believe it will enhance the appeal of the SC module, and would be a nice gesture by ED towards owners of the Supercarrier who have been (and still are) waiting a long time for any improvements (A-model Tomcat still gets the Hornet treatment!). Edited January 3, 2022 by Jayhawk1971 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey45 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Maybe the Forrestal is the freebee and the other ships in the class has the SC bells and whistles.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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