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Hi..this may be already covered off here somewhere but I'm trying to convince myself to go VR. Some time ago, I gave VR a go in a mates car racing sim and nearly heaved my guts up after a few laps. Also tried his DCS but was already nauseous from the laps I did.. It looked awesome so since read into the whole VR sickness issue and that one can overcome this with practice but would love to hear from others who like me struggled at the beginning and now with practice has no issues. My rig is now worthy having upgraded to 3080ti Ryzen 5700x, 32G (probably soon to be 64G). 

Also trying to decide between G2 or Pimax 8K.. any advice would be appreciated..

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Hello!
Had the same experience the first time, with heavy nausea after a short flight of about 10 min. I could still feel it the day after.

Still went on to buy my own VR-set after a couple of months. Difficult in the beginning, a lot of really calm flying, and paused as soon as I started to feel anything. It passed in a couple of weeks. Now I have no issues at all!

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I could only do 5mins to begin with, i now do missions of 3 or so hours, without feeling sick ... the trick for me was small increments lots of rest between and keeping a high frame rate/low frame time 

 

 

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I get motion sickness pretty easily when riding in a car ( not driving).

I had it at first when I got my first VR headset, but got acclimated to it just fine after a week or two.

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My first experience with VR was Mission: ISS then VR Rollercoaster, needless to say it was terrible, dizzy for a day or 2. Read up on how to get your VR legs and practiced for a week. Now I can go on till I'm tired, most time I played was 6+ hours all on DCS.

 

I would also suggest getting the G2 specially with the new cable, its better now with regards to stability. Its cheaper but punches above its price. Its also the king of clarity only losing to the Varjo headsets which are really expensive. You will want the best clarity for sims as you will need to read dials, gauges, digital stuff, etc. The Pimax also is a very good choice, clarity is close to the G2. Fov is massive, far beyond the G2 but is also expensive.


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One other thing to consider. You will never get the clarity and high definition of a 2d monitor. Even with the G2, it's only very clear in the "sweet-spot". I don't have a problem with that, the immersion and depth perception is simply more important to me. Some people don't like that. So your mileage may vary. I'd say, try it out somewhere, wherever possible. If at all possible try and borrow a headset and try it out at home. 

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VR sickness is temporary and just occurs because your brain is confused with your eyes telling it that you're rolling and the balance in your inner ear saying you're not. Your brain will work it out and compensate with practice.

 

G2 for me, though some have moved recently to the Vive Pro 2 and highly rate it.

 

The other thing to consider is that even with your rig you'll need to spend some time optimising to get the best experience, but plenty of folks on this forum will help you.

 

Just beware though, once you go VR there's really no going back to pancake mode. VR: the class A drug of gaming 😉

 

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I had severe motion sickness issues as well.  Short, gentle flights build tolerance.  The mistake is to go too long, which will result in feeling nauseous for hours or the rest of the day.  I also found sips of club soda helped.  Took me about a month before it became a none issue and could fly for three to four hours at a time.  The G2 clarity and price are hard to beat right now. 

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Yeah it takes alittle time for sure but once your brain adapts to the VR scene it’s like a walk in the park. Little at a time.

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I still get sick if I try to use higher graphic settings and then reduce the display frequency.

i suggest to start with low settings and then slowly set them higher until you find your tolerance frequency.

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For me taxiing was the worst part to begin with and I found anything else that involved driving or moving across the ground (shooters without teleport) way worse than the flying. As others have said, build it up slowly and you will be fine. Go for runway starts and easy circuits. Now I can do anything in DCS with no problem, but if I ever have a long vr shooter game session (without teleporting) I still feel a tiny bit wobbly but I really don't do that very much.

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40 minutes ago, ShaunX said:

 

VR: the class A drug of gaming 😉

 

and way more expensive!

 

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1 hour ago, Hoirtel said:

For me taxiing was the worst part to begin with and I found anything else that involved driving or moving across the ground (shooters without teleport) way worse than the flying. As others have said, build it up slowly and you will be fine. Go for runway starts and easy circuits. Now I can do anything in DCS with no problem, but if I ever have a long vr shooter game session (without teleporting) I still feel a tiny bit wobbly but I really don't do that very much.

 

Yeah, it was the same for me. My local hardware dealer had a test room for VR and I played Project Cars there which lead to me not buying the headset at that time because of motion sickness. The experience left some impression however, so I bought it a couple of weeks later anyway.

And indeed, flying was much less problematic for me than racing games. I think it´s because you have a closer reference with the moving ground in a car. 

 

But really, after a couple of weeks, the motion sickness was totally gone for me. I can fly or drive around for hours without problems now.


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Same experience for me, racing games were more nausea inducing than flightsims when I bought the first headset. 

I'm not a pilot so not feeling g forces in DCS did not bother me much, but when driving a car my mind was expecting to feel something. Got used to it after a few sessions. 


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I'm one of the lucky ones, and never really had a issue with motion sickness in VR.

 

I have a G2 and am very pleased with it.  One thing that others have mention that really can impact VR sickness is the refresh rate./fps.  If your rig can't push enough FPS then you will have to lower settings or risk getting sick.  the 3080 Ti is plenty for the G2.  I don't have a clue as to the Pimax 8K.

 

Good luck.

 

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I had the G2, then switched to 8KX as I found the FOV advantage to be very important to prop flying

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Hi
 
do you achieve to make it works with your GPU ? which one is it ?
 
thanks
I tuned it via fholger FSR plugin, getting about 75fps on a 10900 and 3090

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Stick grips:

Thrustmaster Warthog

Thrustmaster Cougar (x2)

Thrustmaster F-16 FLCS

BRD KG13

 

Standby controls:

BRD-M2 Mi-8 Pedals (Ruddermaster controller)

BRD-N v3 Flightstick w. exch. grip upgrade (Kreml C5 controller)

Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle

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3 minutes ago, The LT said:
30 minutes ago, dureiken said:
Hi
 
do you achieve to make it works with your GPU ? which one is it ?
 
thanks

I tuned it via fholger FSR plugin, getting about 75fps on a 10900 and 3090

awesome

 

could we see your DCS settings ? you play large fov ? thanks

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9 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

and way more expensive!

 

 

Tell me about it.

Prior to VR I never had to have the top GPU or the top CPU.

Now that I game in VR I go for the best I can get at the time.

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27 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Tell me about it.

Prior to VR I never had to have the top GPU or the top CPU.

Now that I game in VR I go for the best I can get at the time.

Ahh so true, so true. 

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