Request for mixture axis for all engines so Bravo Throttle can be programmed

[flyingscotsman]

Was not sure where to ask this but here goes. I have a Honeycomb Bravo Throttle and yesterday I set up my WW2 A/C on it, for better engine control.

However, there was not an axis on any of the aircraft that responded on the mixture setting. Spitfire/P-51-P47, bf109.....forgot the Dora, will do that today

So I have Throttle and Prop set up on 2 axis,(axes?) but as the mixture in set as 'analogue' on some so it does not respond

Could I ask for an axis to allocated in a future update please? Of course that would be multiple axis for the Mossie, 

Thanks

[rkk01]

Be interested in feedback on this throttle - it’s on my “shopping list” for the Mossie in particular and warbirds generally

[razo+r]

9 minutes ago, flyingscotsman said:

 Spitfire/P-51-P47, bf109.....forgot the Dora, , 

 

 

190 does not have a mixture control, and the 109 doesnt really have one either.

[grafspee]

All ED WW2 planes has automatic mixture controls. Setup in different way Spitfire has Cut-off position and RUN, P-51 has Cut-off, Run and Emergency rich, P-47 RUN splits to auto lean and auto rich, It works like switch more then like manual mixture. Dora and Anton no mixture controls at all, and K-4 has something similar to Spitfire RUN and Shut off position. No intermediate positions

In Dora and Anton Throttle it self act as Cut off switch.

Edited August 15, 2021 by grafspee

[flyingscotsman]

Razo+r, thanks for that info, my ignorance there. saves me hunting it out. Thank you 

[flyingscotsman]

35 minutes ago, rkk01 said:

Be interested in feedback on this throttle - it’s on my “shopping list” for the Mossie in particular and warbirds generally

My tuppence worth, I like it a lot. It's a big unit and clamps to my game chair, right side, I have the warthog on the left, so I'm kinda flying left handed when I'm manipulating the Bravo, feels a bit wierd but hey ho, nice problem to have. It stays put, and very smooth in operation. I thought the lever's looked quite 'dinky' I have large hands, but actually once you start using it you can easily hold all 4 levers for excellent control. I got it mainly for MSFS2020 but decided to try it on DCS. I unplugged the Hotas so I have 2 sets of control set up for each aircraft without conflicts. 

It was an expensive purchase, but I would say very well worth the money. I've had other throttles that have felt more plasticy toy like, and they failed. IMHO this isnt and it has the flexibility to swop from 4 engine airliner to anything you want. Comes well packed and the alternative handles are in their own storage boxes for when they are not required. I did fork out £15 for 2 life size knob's for the Boeing 737, but you have to unscrew the handles each time. I gave up and got on with what was in the box. I did try and get two spare lever's but they do not ship parts from the U.S. to the UK so be aware of that. I have no idea if that will come in the future.

Hope this helps

Thank you Graf Spee for the explanation, I wondered why it was a switch. So won't be waiting for that, appreciate the reply

[razo+r]

1 hour ago, grafspee said:

and K-4 has something similar to Spitfire RUN and Shut off position.

 

 

That's fuel pumps / supply selector, not mixture. 

[grafspee]

2 hours ago, razo+r said:

 

That's fuel pumps / supply selector, not mixture. 

Engine stop handle, works similar as mixture lever in spitfire 2 position handle RUN and Shut off.

[Hartsblade]

5 hours ago, rkk01 said:

Be interested in feedback on this throttle - it’s on my “shopping list” for the Mossie in particular and warbirds generally

I looked at the Honeycomb as well, but while I admit I'd love to have one, the size (my controls are all chair mounted) and expense had me look elsewhere.

 

Settled on (2) Saitek Pro Flight Quadrants mounted together on a 3D printed mount (found the mount on ebay).

 

Edited August 15, 2021 by Hartsblade
My son was climbing on my lap and hit send

[Roadsweeper]

On 8/15/2021 at 4:34 PM, Hartsblade said:

 

Settled on (2) Saitek Pro Flight Quadrants mounted together on a 3D printed mount (found the mount on ebay).

 

 

 

Ah!! Love the setup. Ive been pondering over how to manage the RPM/throttle axis for the Mossie, given I just have the Virpil T-50CM2, but want 4 axis, 2 for each engine should I need to adjust each engine individually due to combat damage, but not having to spend well into 3 figure sums for a 4 axis quadrant. The Saitek quadrants might do the job nicely :)

[Hartsblade]

1 hour ago, Roadsweeper said:

 

Ah!! Love the setup. Ive been pondering over how to manage the RPM/throttle axis for the Mossie, given I just have the Virpil T-50CM2, but want 4 axis, 2 for each engine should I need to adjust each engine individually due to combat damage, but not having to spend well into 3 figure sums for a 4 axis quadrant. The Saitek quadrants might do the job nicely

Thanks, glad to help.

[Cowboy10uk]

On 8/15/2021 at 11:30 AM, rkk01 said:

Be interested in feedback on this throttle - it’s on my “shopping list” for the Mossie in particular and warbirds generally

It’s absolutely stunning. Best throttle I ever bought.   Easy to setup and swap around for different aircraft, and in my opinion will be absolutely perfect for multi engined prop aircraft like the Mossie. 
 

highly recommended if you can find it in stock.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Cowboy10uk

[AG-51_Razor]

Are you able to program that elevator trim wheel to an axis for trim? i.e. does ED have.....DOH!! I guess that since it hasn't been released yet, you probably wouldn't have the answer to that question just yet!

[Basco1]

Actually,as we're discussing Axis,I would love to see the Bomb Doors,Undercarriage and Flaps given their own Axis just like the real aircraft (see pic below) taken from the new DCS Mosquito cockpit.

 

There is nothing worse than just flicking a switch on/off to activate these very important controls,take the bomb doors for instance,pulling the lever down on an axis is far better for immersion......my two pennies worth anyway.

 

Not having enough Axis controls would'nt be a problem to me I've got more than enough (see bottom pic) my cockpit,I moved my seat out of the way so the controls are more visible.

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Basco1

[Nealius]

(Counter request for combined axis mapping for the majority of players who only have 2~3 available axes on their HOTAS)

 

Genius idea for putting your throttle on the computer case itself. I should have done that instead of using a dinky folding chair. 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Nealius

[grafspee]

i touch mixture lever 2 times, when i starting up engine and when i shuting it down :), too much attention to thing which is barely used. I will be glad with key assigns like every other warbird.

[bart]

1 hour ago, grafspee said:

i touch mixture lever 2 times, when i starting up engine and when i shuting it down :), too much attention to thing which is barely used. I will be glad with key assigns like every other warbird.

 

I'm not too fussed about an axis for the mixture control either. 

 

What I would like options for is the prop pitch. I have a Warthog throttle and use the slider axis for the prop pitch control in the Spitfire which works great. But we will have two prop pitch control levers in the Mosquito, so there lies my problem. I hope ED implement some way of being able to control either the right or left or both levers at the same time with just one axis.

Edited August 23, 2021 by bart

[grafspee]

@bart we have already similar option for jets where you can use single axis to control both throttle in f-18 for example, i assume that ED will provide this kind of option for multiple prop levers  

[bart]

3 hours ago, grafspee said:

@bart we have already similar option for jets where you can use single axis to control both throttle in f-18 for example, i assume that ED will provide this kind of option for multiple prop levers  

 

I didn't know this. I've got the F18 but obviously use both warthog throttles for their respective engines, so never had the need to look further for other options. Is there a modifier so you can control the right or left engine individually with the same axis, then both at the same time when required?

 

It's this modifier for the single axis control we will desperately need on the Mosquito for prop pitch imho. In normal flight have the single axis set to control both left and right prop pitch (RPM), then if one engine gets hit, use the modifier to switch axis control to the good engine only, and shut down then feather the damaged one. I think after having a quick flick through the pilots notes for a Mosquito (but not 100% sure as it was quick!) that the feather control is a push/pull button on the dash. Anyway I hope they have a modifier in place for this axis...

Edited August 23, 2021 by bart

[grafspee]

@bart It is separate input called "throttle" or "thrust" cant remember, if you assign to this, both throttles in f-18 will move.

Edited August 23, 2021 by grafspee

[Nealius]

Prop pitch is the main issue. Keybinds/buttons do not allow for fine control of levers. L/R Prop pitch levers need to be manipulated separately because of prop sync at startup (if I understand that correctly) or when there's engine troubles like battle damage. L/R throttles also have to be manipulated separate to deal with lack of rudder effectiveness and torque on takeoff, and perhaps even taxi. A modifier isn't feasible, as when you press the modifer the throttle or pitch lever will snap to whatever the unmodified position was. That basically requires four axes....

Edited August 23, 2021 by Nealius

[=475FG= Dawger]

2 hours ago, bart said:

 

I didn't know this. I've got the F18 but obviously use both warthog throttles for their respective engines, so never had the need to look further for other options. Is there a modifier so you can control the right or left engine individually with the same axis, then both at the same time when required?

 

It's this modifier for the single axis control we will desperately need on the Mosquito for prop pitch imho. In normal flight have the single axis set to control both left and right prop pitch (RPM), then if one engine gets hit, use the modifier to switch axis control to the good engine only, and shut down then feather the damaged one. I think after having a quick flick through the pilots notes for a Mosquito (but not 100% sure as it was quick!) that the feather control is a push/pull button on the dash. Anyway I hope they have a modifier in place for this axis...

 

If the Mossie is properly modeled, you will beg them for separate Prop RPM axes so you can properly synchronize the RPM to get rid of the pounding WAH-WAH-WAH sound of unsynchronized engines.

 

This also happens in multiengine jets to a lesser but very noticeable degree.

Edited August 23, 2021 by =475FG= Dawger

[grafspee]

1 hour ago, =475FG= Dawger said:

If the Mossie is properly modeled, you will beg them for separate Prop RPM axes so you can properly synchronize the RPM to get rid of the pounding WAH-WAH-WAH sound of unsynchronized engines.

 

This also happens in multiengine jets to a lesser but very noticeable degree.

 

I hope that it would be as a on/off feature in special tab section, most ppl don't have so many axis available to assign everything to axis.

[=475FG= Dawger]

21 hours ago, grafspee said:

I hope that it would be as a on/off feature in special tab section, most ppl don't have so many axis available to assign everything to axis.

It would surprise me if they model synchronization effects at all.