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On 8/4/2021 at 8:57 PM, Beirut said:

I too am crying because there is no Apache yet. :sad_2:

 

 

 

 

...it means I'll have to wait even longer to blow them out of the sky in my Blackshark. :gun_rifle:

 

 

 

Yes, that's basically what I'm looking forward to.😄

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On 8/5/2021 at 10:51 AM, ebabil said:

apache pre purchase this month then?

Late summer can also mean the very end of it, and summer this year ends when the Sun appears to cross the celestial equator, heading southward, which in 2021 is likely to be on the 22nd of September at 19:21 UTC, mark the date ladies and gents. 

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It is funny that in the era of the internet and social media that a company not use it to communicate with its customer about a release date. 

No news creates frustration but if communication is open then even if they run into problems and delays we would understand and have more respect.

I prefer no releases in summer as I need to spend time outside in the real world and not inside virtual.

But i would love videos on the progress.

 

Cheers

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11 hours ago, STEMALO said:

It is funny that in the era of the internet and social media that a company not use it to communicate with its customer about a release date. 

No news creates frustration but if communication is open then even if they run into problems and delays we would understand and have more respect.

I prefer no releases in summer as I need to spend time outside in the real world and not inside virtual.

But i would love videos on the progress.

 

Cheers

Lol, you must be new here... 

Man.. developers long ago stopped giving dates or even estimates more granular than year halves / quarters. 

Reasons were:

- frustration, 

- lack of understanding,

- no respect.


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From the behavior of the developers, I got the impression that everything is fine. By the way, for Russians, the calendar seasons contain exactly three months each. Months 12,1,2 are winter, 3,4,5 are spring, 6,7,8 are summer, 9,10,11 are autumn. The actual season, of course, depends on the location on the map. So we are waiting, most likely, in August, and there is not much time left.

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I want Apache. Feelsbadman

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Fire up a Commodore 64 emulator and play Gunship. I wasted SO much of my high school years playing Microprose games.

 

(For that matter, look up Cold Waters for a modern take on the 1986 submarine game Red Storm Rising.)

 

On 8/4/2021 at 5:47 AM, BIGNEWY said:

Plan is still for pre-order late Summer. 

 

News will be more frequent as we get closer to pre-order and when early access eventually starts. 

 

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Ah, but which hemisphere? Could extend it all the way to March 2022 if they wanted.


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On 8/5/2021 at 9:49 PM, ebabil said:

ED says that late summer. what does this mean then?

Late summer is basically August and September So we might get it next week or in a month plus when they mean late summer it doesn't mean exactly in late summer they could release pre-orders after late summer but as of right now its still late summer so hopefully we get news about soon 

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The HIND is a lot of fun. Give it a try. I'm digging it. 

 

As for the Apache, late summer is the "pre-order" target, it has nothing to do with the release date. 

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As soon as we are ready to share information we will,

 

we have started today with a little preview and some history, and started the mini update thread. 

 

please keep an eye on the mini-update thread and future newsletters for news. 

 

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I do not know much about the Apache, but the Mi-24 turned out to be much more fun than I expected. I fear that the Apache is too much computerized for this kind of fun feeling. Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it going to be rather like an American version of the Ka-50? I am just trying to figure out for which kind of virtual pilots the Apache is a good choice.

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48 minutes ago, Tiramisu said:

I do not know much about the Apache, but the Mi-24 turned out to be much more fun than I expected. I fear that the Apache is too much computerized for this kind of fun feeling. Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it going to be rather like an American version of the Ka-50? I am just trying to figure out for which kind of virtual pilots the Apache is a good choice.

Apache systems will be much more complicated than in the Ka-50. If you want a comparison, I think operating the Apache will be pretty similar to operating the A-10C/A-10CII

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Me, its being made for me.... all choppers are made for me 🙂

It will be interesting to see how much DCS time is taken up by the Apache D and how my flight time in other choppers will suffer.   

 

I consider the ka-50 to be very simple to operate, it is all steam gauges with a small amount of digitalization, Toggle switches are all available in the pit for a fast weapon change.  

An Apache A would be closer to the KA-50.

 


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1 hour ago, Mad_Shell said:

Apache systems will be much more complicated than in the Ka-50. If you want a comparison, I think operating the Apache will be pretty similar to operating the A-10C/A-10CII

 

I'd say it would be as easy or complicated as you want it to be. It all depends on your loadout, what type of sensors you want to use during your mission, whether the FCR is available and how you want to use it, etc. etc. 

 

And then you have to take into account that you can share the workload between two crewmembers. I'd say that flying and fighting in the Apache will be relatively simple, but very difficult to master. 

 

Now in the early days of the Mi24P the Petrovich AI is very bare bones, so I don't expect the Apache to be very easy to use in single player. However with an efficient and knowledgeable weapons officer in the front seat I'd say that it will be a joy to learn and use. 


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2 hours ago, Mad_Shell said:

Apache systems will be much more complicated than in the Ka-50. If you want a comparison, I think operating the Apache will be pretty similar to operating the A-10C/A-10CII

My only experience with the ka-50 is dcs, but the hardest thing with the AH will be the crew coordination, Because its design around a 2 seat mentality both seats have different roles while in operation.  It's difficulty and effectiveness will largely depend on how the easy or hard the AI is to operate for SP, for dual pilot it'll be the communications piece.  I'd expect most people to  rely on the pilot but in reality the CPG during the engagement process and the hunting process drives the fight while the pilots main purpose is just to keep the helicopter safe, and put it in a position for the CPG and a strong CPG it's usually through his directions.   Obviously crew coordinated so both take inputs from each other.  So that'll probably the hardest factor is the teamwork within the cockpit.  As far as switchology, shouldn't be to hard, not a ton of button manipulations, I don't know how they're gonna work the digital comms piece if it's going to be like the KA where it's mostly automated or if you have to actually go through the pages but again that's not a requirement to do the basic things.  Most people don't care about EPs in DCS, just like I won't nor do I plan on learning D model EPs, but if you were looking for the hardest time sensitive for button pushing it'll probably be during an EP. 

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3 hours ago, Tiramisu said:

I do not know much about the Apache, but the Mi-24 turned out to be much more fun than I expected. I fear that the Apache is too much computerized for this kind of fun feeling. Maybe I am missing something, but isn't it going to be rather like an American version of the Ka-50? I am just trying to figure out for which kind of virtual pilots the Apache is a good choice.


If you don’t enjoy modern aircraft then you probably won’t see much to enjoy in the Apache. But this helo is more capable than anything else we have in rotary wing.

 

One of the best parts is that we’ll finally have a proper laser designator so we can hide somewhere in hover at safe distance and designate targets for fast movers. Further, the Apache is made for night operations so we’ll be able to combine forces with f16s, f18s, a10s, maybe f14s and do some fun night op target designation or destruction.

 

The 30mm is going to be ridiculous good fun considering you can slave it to your eye and just erase things you don’t like while flying. The gun on the shark and hind is fun too and effective in their own ways but I don’t think theyll hold a candle to the Apache gun.

 

Im not exactly clear on the fun feeling you’re looking for but yes the Apache has way more systems to manage than the hind.

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Makes me vomit how jet pukes think the Apache will be a laser designator for fast movers!

That is the Kiowa's job!

The Apache D will lay waste to large, well equipped ground forces faster and more efficiently than any fast moving puke will ever achieve!

The Apache will obliterate the well equipped ground force and will then look under the cervices and dig out the hiding, fearful soldiers for 30 mike mike justice.  

 

It will be very personal with the Apache..... whites of the eyes kind of stuff!

No large scale army surrendered to an F-16 or F-15 when it appeared.... they did with the Apache.

The Apache is simply a horrifying weapon.... so close and personal.

 

The jet boys job is simple.... keep the Mig 29s, Su 27s and especially the SU 25s, or any other slow moving aeroplane off our arses!

 

That is all we ask.... the rest is what the Apache was breed for.

 


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55 minutes ago, Rogue Trooper said:

Makes me vomit how jet pukes think the Apache will be a laser designator for fast movers!

 

That was part of the reason for the D's upgrades. It's also been one of the responsibilities of the aircraft since the OH-58D was retired from service. In addition, there's also things like laser guided artillery which exponentially increases the firepower available to the helicopter.

 

There's no sense in wasting your own limited ordnance when someone else is offering to expend theirs for you.

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1 hour ago, Rogue Trooper said:

The Apache D will lay waste to large, well equipped ground forces faster and more efficiently than any fast moving puke will ever achieve!

The Apache will obliterate the well equipped ground force and will then look under the cervices and dig out the hiding, fearful soldiers for 30 mike mike justice. 

Well-armed ground forces are not Taliban or even Libyans. They really have a lot of air defense. If this is not suppressed, the helicopters are best off. In general, the present time is the time of drones.

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