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On 8/6/2021 at 1:23 PM, bies said:

If your map will be similar to existing ones it will have to compete with them for attention and this will decrease popularity of the new map

- find a niche to make your map the only choice.

 

There are  2 WWII maps (Normandy and Channel)

for  9  WWII modules existing and developed (Spitfire IX, P-47, P-51, Bf-109K, FW-190A, FW-190D, I-16) + (Mosquito, F4U-1)

 

There are 5 modern maps (Hormuz Strait, Syria, Nevada, Caucasus, Marianas)

for  10  2005-2010 modules (F/A-18C, F-16C, A-10C, Ka-50, JF-17, AV-8B ) + (Kiowa, AH-64, EF, Strike Eagle)

 

There are  0 (zero) Cold War maps

for  28  Cold War [from Korea to Desert Storm] modules (MiG-15bis, F-86F, MiG-19P, MiG-21bis, F-5E, L-39, C-101, F-14A, Mi-24, Gazelle, Mi-8, Huey) + (Mirage F.1, Fiat G.91, MiG-23MLA, MiG-17, A-6 Intruder, A-7 Corsair, Bolkov 105, Sea Harrier, MiG-29A, Su-17, F-8 Crusader) + low fidelity A-10A, Su-25A, Su-27S, F-15C, MiG-29A

 

Conclusions is obvious: about 2/3 of all DCS modules - released and during development - represent Cold War era and they have at this point 0 (zero) proper maps, this period is massively underrepresented. 

If you make any of Korea, Vietnam, Fulda Gap, North Europe divided Germany etc. proper Cold War map - your map will be an obvious and practically the only possible choice for the most of DCS existing and developed modules.

 

Good points. I pushed the Baltic map, as quite a few other for those exact reasons. Nearly every aircraft in DCS at one point or another has flown over this area either in anger or during times of relative peace.

Spitfires flew in both RAF recce roles and Soviet colors. BF-109's in both Finnish and German colors. I-16 by both Finns and Soviets. 

Each and every one of the more modern types you mention has been or is currently flown around the Baltics and Northern Europe. F5's by Norway, Viggen by Swedes, Migs by WarPac, Soviets, Finns and Russians etc etc.

The terrain ranges from high mountains, deep fjords to 68000 some islands and same number of lakes in Finland. Tundra and low fjells in the north. Incidentally, RAF 151 Squadron operated up north during 1941 with operation Benedict. Commanded by the appropriately named Ramsbottom-Isherwood, it involved Hurricanes

Area saw some seriously heavy fighting on ground and in the air during winter war and WW2 in general. Flight detachment Kuhlmey basically provided critical assistance that kept Finland from being overrun in 1944... A campaign for the Fw190 perhaps. Battles that ranged from then Leningrad all the way to Gdansk. Detachment Kuhlmey - Wikipedia 

Combat raged from 1939 to 1945 West to East and then back on the Southern shore of Baltic, to the Karelian isthmus, lake Laatokka or Ladoga Ozero. There were some interesting sideshows with intensive air combat such as Hanko front battles Battle of Hanko (1941) - Wikipedia and the battles of the island in the Baltic. Suursaari saw it share of action and intensive aerial combat Battle of Suursaari - Wikipedia

Viggens intercepting SR-71's during cold war Cold War Showdown: The Swedish JA-37 Viggen vs The SR-71 Blackbird | The National Interest , Swedish Catalinas being shot down by soviet Mig's during the Cold War etc. Catalina affair - Wikipedia The list is very long and varied. Or the earlier incident of Finnish OH-ALL Kaleva, a JU-52 being shot down between the winter and continuation wars. Kaleva (airplane) - Wikipedia

Currently Baltics are a hive of activity with Russian aircraft transiting Kaliningrad to Russia with Finns, Swedes, Poles and BAP missions intercepting daily from Bases in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. Baltic Air Policing - Wikipedia

Basically this area is relevant for nearly all the aircraft types, up to the Mosquito that also saw service over the western parts of the Baltic and the rather famous Oslo raid, overshadowed by the Amiens raid. Oslo Mosquito raid - Wikipedia

The area is also relatively small. I took this pic some years ago. Kaunas to the west, St.Petersburg to the east. Range is 320nm. Roughly just under 600km. 

For interesting reading, I suggest Crowded Skies.

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@Baltic Pirate
I support a Baltic map, and you sell it pretty good. But please, no Oslo/Norway. That would be just ridiculous!
Norway is not part of the Baltics, and rather need/deserves a map with all the water to the west.

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Looking at all the modules currently available in DCS, I'd like to see a North Cape map.

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This would allow for:

* carrier ops 

* modern day as well as cold war scenarios

* a nice battle ground for the Viggen (although Sweden would not be in that map, but close)

* would provide a reasonable background for smaller sized scenarios to save fps performance (I'd also love to see a German Fulda gap map, but trying to play a full blown WW3 scenario would probably bring DCS down on it's knees)  

Provided DCS gives us more Vietnam era modules (F4, A-6, A-7, F-8, F-105), I'd also like to see a Vietnam map. 

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Afghanistan with complimentary ground force pack would equal loads of fun times to be had in Apache. 😍

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I would like to see a collection of North Africa Maps.  They should focus on Libya, Egypt (the Sinai) and Israel.  This would cover a significant number of air combat historical periods - WW2, The Post WW2 Regional Conflicts, The Cold War and Current Middle East Conflicts.  This would cover a rich combat environment over land as well as from the Mediterranean Sea.

 

 

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On 7/27/2021 at 9:38 AM, Northstar98 said:
  • GIUK Gap
  • NATO Northern Flank
  • Northern Germany, Fulda GAP
  • Baltic, Balkan/Adriatic Sea

 

 

I corrected that for you 😂
Just kidding, those are mine

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2 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

I corrected that for you 😂
Just kidding, those are mine

Ideally we'd have both the northern and central German areas, I only picked the north because I think it's maybe makes for wider missions (especially if it's extended to the border with Denmark).

I wouldn't say no to the Balkans either, and tbf a Baltic map would be gigantic if you wanted to include bases for the significant players in the region.

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Afghan. It'd hardly be a "desert map", in reality it's mostly mountains, and while it is pretty arid, it's got no shortage of green. 

Failing that, central Europe. Ideally, both WWII and the 80s versions, the latter complete with the Berlin Wall, Rammstein airbase and Fulda Gap. Depending on how big it can be, also a bit of Baltic, just to put a CBG on.

My 3rd choice would be Vietnam, while I love aircraft from that period, most of our assets are not quite correct for it, and there's a problem that if you wanted to encompass the whole AO, it's have to stretch from Thailand (Takhli) to Taiwan (CCK). The latter might be tough for political reasons (although the 70s version shouldn't be too problematic), but more importantly, it's a huge chunk of the globe including a large part of rather touchy China. Although, if you give up CCK (it was mostly tankers and Hercs flying from there), you should be able to fit it Vietnam, Thailand and Laos within a 1500x1500km square.

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Iraq, covering part of the Persian Gulf and the areas of Syria not covered by ED's map.

Desert Storm and 2003 through all OIF's is the most obvious map for DCS, other than size I don't know why some combo of PG and Syria is not a map roughly centered on Baghdad.

Does a map have to be square?

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I'm not sure about the true edges of the map, they might actually need to be rectangular... but the "real useable map", the area that people actually use, can be any shape really. It's more about the amount of detail and how much that will impact framerates or not.

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19 hours ago, Rick50 said:

I'm not sure about the true edges of the map, they might actually need to be rectangular... but the "real useable map", the area that people actually use, can be any shape really. It's more about the amount of detail and how much that will impact framerates or not.

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, RE an odd shaped detailed area within the greater rectangle, it still would be a large area and that may be why Iraq hasn't been made yet. If the processor crunch ever goes away and GPUs come back down there's no reason that something even more taxing that 2.7 maxed out will become a basic ability for the average gaming PC in a couple years.

7 hours ago, Angelthunder said:

If were getting the entire modern globe in the future..

Has this been mentioned by ED before?

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2 hours ago, Ghostrider142 said:

Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, RE an odd shaped detailed area within the greater rectangle, it still would be a large area and that may be why Iraq hasn't been made yet. If the processor crunch ever goes away and GPUs come back down there's no reason that something even more taxing that 2.7 maxed out will become a basic ability for the average gaming PC in a couple years.

Has this been mentioned by ED before?

Apparently,Wags said something like that in PC Pilot Magazine by Key Publishing.

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3 hours ago, Ghostrider142 said:

Has this been mentioned by ED before?

 

I put a link to a thread that dives into this new news... it's on this very page! 

 

Go to the link and then look up a post by  Northstar98 Posted November 7 in that thread

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On 11/19/2021 at 8:36 PM, Ghostrider142 said:

Iraq, covering part of the Persian Gulf and the areas of Syria not covered by ED's map.

Desert Storm and 2003 through all OIF's is the most obvious map for DCS, other than size I don't know why some combo of PG and Syria is not a map roughly centered on Baghdad.

Does a map have to be square?

 

Iraq should definitely come to DCS someday, but the outline in your image wouldn't make a lot of sense for map boundaries. Coalition jets need somewhere to takeoff from, preferably with a few options that aren't more or less on top of the Iraqi border. Given the size of the PG map this might be possible, just need to expand further into Saudi Arabia and include more of the Gulf itself.

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On 10/5/2021 at 5:46 PM, Rick50 said:

 

Agreed, Norway would be awesome... 

 

Reminds me of a sim from the mid-90's that featured the Eurofighter defending Norway from a resurgent Russian invasion...  The map was very very basic compared to today, but it stretched from Norway to St Petersburg, from Oslo to... uh, well somewhere quite north, might have been arctic ocean even! Was a HUGE map... 

 

I'd LOVE to see a high detail version of that map, one that featured both summer and winter textures, and a dynamic campaign like the old sim did with a tacops addon... it had a lot of immersion, or at least that's what I felt when flying it!  I remember being overjoyed to see AI Grippens, Tornados, I think there was even an Antonov 124 giant transport helping the invasion of Bodo... well I think there was, memory that far back is very hazy. But doing those multi-role airstrikes with a 4 ship, following mountain valleys, lobbing ALARM over the mountains to plunge down upon SAM's once we let ourselves be lit up... amazing!

 

I always hoped there would be a sequel or "sequel in spirit and content", but nothing so far measures up... but DCS could do this, once our hardware can handle such a large map, we get a Eurofighter from HB and TG, and some campain system of the dynamic variety... 😄

Yep… Norway - Russia

DID’s EF2000 Scandinavia map might have been grey and murky, but it was a fantastic Cold War setting👍
 

Below radar fjord runs for deep strike, CAP, CAS, SEAD, AWACS strikes etc… Also great for carrier, Naval / ASW and amphibious warfare.

Provided the map comes far enough south (Shetland, say) the Mossie shipping strikes and other WW2 scenarios come into play😎

A Scandi map to modern standards would be brilliant.  

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