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AI F-14s, as of this patch, still do not give RWR warnings if you're using an F-14 to fight them and if they're equipped with AIM-54s. If you use another aircraft like an F-18, you'll get RWR warnings like they launched in PD-STT but the missile will sometimes go "active" and go for you without warnings even after you notch the AI F-14's radar. 


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8分钟前,DSplayer说:

AI F-14s, as of this patch, still do not give RWR warnings if you're using an F-14 to fight them. If you use another aircraft like an F-18, you'll get RWR warnings like they launched in PD-STT but the missile will sometimes go "active" and go for you without warnings even after you notch the AI F-14's radar. 

test team are take looking at this problem thanks.

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On another note - what is the stance / progress on adding white and properly labelled AIM54A's? I think those are pretty essential for the early A's and IRIAF cats in the future as well as for general coherence and visual distinction in the game.

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33 minutes ago, Skysurfer said:

On another note - what is the stance / progress on adding white and properly labelled AIM54A's? I think those are pretty essential for the early A's and IRIAF cats in the future as well as for general coherence and visual distinction in the game.

 

Something we will take a look at for the early As, but atm with everything else just lower priority.

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32 minutes ago, IronMike said:

 

Something we will take a look at for the early As, but atm with everything else just lower priority.

Please do. Should honestly just be a texture thing...

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So the no-RWR thing is still not fixed. 


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I don't know if I am the first person to discover it since I discovered it while playing around with the Tomcat in late May of 2021 but here's how it goes. You first STT lock someone with the radar and get in range for a TCS acquisition or manually slew the TCS over to the target (which wont give them the warning of course) then you switch the TCS slave to INDEP (or TCS) then switch the WCS to standby. Then you change the TCS slave to TCS/slave the radar to it (if you didn't do it already) and fire a missile (which you can still do with the WCS on standby). The target that you've fired at cannot evade through normal means to defeat a radar missile. Think of it of a TCS guided Fox 1 with the perks of a Fox 2 with the only problem being the gimbal limits. Here's an example I recorded with my friend when I was multicrewing in a PvP server: https://streamable.com/hfypvb. This of course has no place to be used in the competitive scene as it just is unsportsmanlike to exploit something of this nature. Feel free to hit me up if you need more info on this.
 

 


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SATAL : "Summary - Tomcat limited to 2 AIM-54A mk74 Phoenix per aircraft for both Diamond and Gold leagues. All other Phoenix types, AIM-54A mk60 and AIM-54C, are currently banned."

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On 7/27/2021 at 9:18 PM, Csgo GE oh yeah said:

So the no-RWR thing is still not fixed. 


QUote:
I don't know if I am the first person to discover it since I discovered it while playing around with the Tomcat in late May of 2021 but here's how it goes. You first STT lock someone with the radar and get in range for a TCS acquisition or manually slew the TCS over to the target (which wont give them the warning of course) then you switch the TCS slave to INDEP (or TCS) then switch the WCS to standby. Then you change the TCS slave to TCS/slave the radar to it (if you didn't do it already) and fire a missile (which you can still do with the WCS on standby). The target that you've fired at cannot evade through normal means to defeat a radar missile. Think of it of a TCS guided Fox 1 with the perks of a Fox 2 with the only problem being the gimbal limits. Here's an example I recorded with my friend when I was multicrewing in a PvP server: https://streamable.com/hfypvb. This of course has no place to be used in the competitive scene as it just is unsportsmanlike to exploit something of this nature. Feel free to hit me up if you need more info on this.
 

 

 

so you can guide a phoenix using only the tcs?

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On 7/29/2021 at 10:05 AM, eatthis said:

so you can guide a phoenix using only the tcs?

As the person who wrote up that message that was quoted, yes that is how to guide an AIM-54 via the TCS on the F-14. It does require a RIO unless you do some tinkering but yeah, it's how to guide an AIM-54 with only the TCS.

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1 minute ago, DSplayer said:

As the person who wrote up that message that was quoted, yes that is how to guide an AIM-54 via the TCS on the F-14. It does require a RIO unless you do some tinkering but yeah, it's how to guide an AIM-54 with only the TCS.

 

We tested this last weekend, and could not reproduce it at all. We are further investigating, but it is likely tied to latency as well. Please do not get us wrong - we're not trying to shut down these reports, to the contrary: we want to get to the bottom of them, hence we need to share the findings from our side. And thus we also kindly ask for more input on this from your side, circumstances, what servers, what missions, how many players, etc... There must be something going on which "breaks" the old API when latency is an issue, while kind of maintaining how it is supposed to work in a more stable server environment (for example only few of us testing it on a privately hosted server, etc).

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4 minutes ago, IronMike said:

 

We tested this last weekend, and could not reproduce it at all. We are further investigating, but it is likely tied to latency as well. Please do not get us wrong - we're not trying to shut down these reports, to the contrary: we want to get to the bottom of them, hence we need to share the findings from our side. And thus we also kindly ask for more input on this from your side, circumstances, what servers, what missions, how many players, etc... There must be something going on which "breaks" the old API when latency is an issue, while kind of maintaining how it is supposed to work in a more stable server environment (for example only few of us testing it on a privately hosted server, etc).

What part weren't you guys able to reproduce? Was it the no RWR warning bit? Feel free to take it to DM's if you need me to explain further in detail.


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