Xxx Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 If anyone can add inertia to this aircraft I would be much obliged! Take off from ground and landing is like a paper/polystyrene radio controlled model? Too twitchy. Watch videos of small plastic models radio controlled and thats what these are like? Why doesn't anyone else see this? Its a high performance WW2 aircrfat with no mass ?? Look at the mass/modelling in MSFS...its bad but at least they have mass. This is why avoid WW2 aircraft in DCS....Big pity. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]i7 Haswell @ 4.6Ghz, Z97p, GTX1080, 32GB DDR3, x3SSD, Win7/64, professional. 32" BenQ, TIR 5, Saitek x55 HOTAS. Search User Files for "herky" for my uploaded missions. My flight sim videos on You Tube. https://www.youtube.com/user/David Herky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I think it has too much inertia.. Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 BF-109 too twitchy ?? For me it lags a lot at low speed especially in yaw axis. Yes BF-109 is performance prop, this does not mean that it should act like 747. If you complain about K-4 you should try Spitfire then 1 System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeCuvier Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 If you want something that feels heavy, fly the P-47D! 1 LeCuvier Windows 10 Pro 64Bit | i7-4790 CPU |16 GB RAM|SSD System Disk|SSD Gaming Disk| MSI GTX-1080 Gaming 8 GB| Acer XB270HU | TM Warthog HOTAS | VKB Gladiator Pro | MongoosT-50 | MFG Crosswind Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogster Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, LeCuvier said: If you want something that feels heavy, fly the P-47D! Yes. Compared to the Spit and 109 it feels like a truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB 605 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 11:18 PM, Accipiter said: Why doesn't anyone else see this? This is why avoid WW2 aircraft in DCS....Big pity. Hmm..i i wonder it too. Maybe it's because you are right and eveybody else is wrong? Or could it, by any possibility be other way around. It is pity that you avoid them, but problem is in your end really, not in FM of DCS. 2 CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
javelina1 Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 On 6/15/2021 at 2:11 AM, Mogster said: Yes. Compared to the Spit and 109 it feels like a truck. Indeed, a very nice big truck.... 1 MSI MAG Z790 Carbon, i9-13900k, NH-D15 cooler, 64 GB CL40 6000mhz RAM, MSI RTX4090, Yamaha 5.1 A/V Receiver, 4x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe, 1x 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD, Win 11 Pro, TM Warthog, Virpil WarBRD, MFG Crosswinds, 43" Samsung 4K TV, 21.5 Acer VT touchscreen, TrackIR, Varjo Aero, Wheel Stand Pro Super Warthog, Phanteks Enthoo Pro2 Full Tower Case, Seasonic GX-1200 ATX3 PSU, PointCTRL, Buttkicker 2, K-51 Helicopter Collective Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobel Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 the 109 here does exactly what you can observe with real 109s. how do you come to such an assumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 I think the yaw effect is too subtle Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, fapador said: I think the yaw effect is too subtle Might have something to do with the comically small rudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 or a lack of an accurate spiral wash model in combination with the fact that moment of inertia calculation effect currently only exists on the p47 roll axis Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 In my opinion the plane rolls to easily or too early when you apply left or right rudder making it impossible to slip. the rudder acts almost like ailerons on the fuselage Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 Bf-109 is kind unique in that regard, almost all mass is packed up in fuselage, guns engine fuel, this makes inertia very small in roll axis. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Fenrir Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 On 6/14/2021 at 9:18 PM, Accipiter said: If anyone can add inertia to this aircraft I would be much obliged! Take off from ground and landing is like a paper/polystyrene radio controlled model? Too twitchy. Watch videos of small plastic models radio controlled and thats what these are like? Why doesn't anyone else see this? Its a high performance WW2 aircrfat with no mass ?? Look at the mass/modelling in MSFS...its bad but at least they have mass. This is why avoid WW2 aircraft in DCS....Big pity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) The yaw effect is not implemented right it should yaw a couple more degrees before rolling( wing dihedral should make the wing less prone to yaw roll), because californian giant slip is impossible currently. Also adverse yaw is non existent Edited September 14, 2021 by fapador 1 Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kablamoman Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 How is it impossible to slip? You can do pretty massive forward slips in the sim currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) @kablamoman "massive"? Post video pls Dont be foolled by the slip indicator, its directly affected by roll. Yaw action and effect is non existent. Also the spitfire has comparable size rudder and engine yet it yaws 4 times more than bf109, There is no way that the 109 is modelled correctly. Maybe @Yo-Yo has some input on this matter. Edited September 16, 2021 by fapador 1 Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kablamoman Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 @fapador https://streamable.com/46uc0h Please excuse the blur and shake, was a recording of the VR mirror. Tacviews included so you can see the "massive" longitudinal axis angle off from vector through the air. Second was power-on, just for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) @kablamomanBro...thats a FW-190D Edited September 16, 2021 by fapador Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kablamoman Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) was I not allowed to use a dora? wasn't the guy talking about the californian giant slip the dora pilot? Edit: @fapador Hey sorry just reading back over some of the other posts, and I realize you may have been talking about the 109 specifically. Thought you were talking about the sim in general. Anyway, I agree the 109 isn't as easy to slip as it seems to me the ailerons aren't as effective in opposing the roll coupling, but nevertheless you can still slip: https://streamable.com/rxfevj Is it true to life? I don't know, but I don't think it's unreasonable. Edited September 16, 2021 by kablamoman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 @kablamoman He said they also used the same technic on the bf109 Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 I just read comparison raport of g6, it is mentined there that g6 ailerons are almost non effective at low speed. This will handi cap slip ability. System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 @grafspee English test of the Emil 1 Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fapador Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Jesus some ppl here consider the modelling done as a holy grail Indiana_Jones_3_Holy_Grail_Scene.mp4 @grafspee I tried modifying a bf109 on x-plane 11 so it has the same control deflections and surfaces as the ones mentioned on the k-4 manual. The result is that it yaws much more over there Edited September 17, 2021 by fapador 1 Obsessed with FM's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hog_driver Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, fapador said: @grafspee English test of the Emil Did Emil pass the test? How many points did he score? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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