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I am new to the DORA, but when i am in a turning fight this aircraft easily becomes uncontrollable. Even at reasonable speed, 450 - 600 kph, it will depart flight and begin to roll and spin, usually to the left. I have been trying to figure out what i am doing wrong. I am a new warbirds pilot so I am sure it is my mistake, but the manual has been little help...What do you think I am doing wrong?

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4 hours ago, Blackhawk NC said:

I am new to the DORA, but when i am in a turning fight this aircraft easily becomes uncontrollable. Even at reasonable speed, 450 - 600 kph, it will depart flight and begin to roll and spin, usually to the left. I have been trying to figure out what i am doing wrong. I am a new warbirds pilot so I am sure it is my mistake, but the manual has been little help...What do you think I am doing wrong?

 

Pulling too hard on the stick and increasing AOA to a point where you will stall. This is unrelated to the speed of your aircraft.

 

Some tips from this vid might help you:

 

Phil also has a bunch of vids flying the Dora in multiplayer. Those might help too 😉


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Yes, getting rid of the bank and yank jet powered mindset is a big help…

 

All of the warbirds benefit from being “guided” around the sky using all 3 axes / control surfaces.  
 

Decades of PC flying with short joysticks and jet / poorly modelled prop FMs had me stalling every turn.  Despite the bad rep they have on this forum the little trainers (Yak, L-39, and yes the Gazelle) really taught me to fly more “gently”… full aileron deflection and then pulling the stick all the way back just makes the warbirds fall out of the sky

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On 6/6/2021 at 5:56 PM, MrExplosion said:

 

 

Pulling too hard on the stick and increasing AOA to a point where you will stall. This is unrelated to the speed of your aircraft.

 

@Mr. Explosion that unrelated to the AOA, Dora did have 15 AOA as the P-51 for example. The only thing what the Dora doesn't like is sharp Inputs with high G-Load. Thats because the Wingflex of the 190 is not ok start to shift the Lift under high G-Loads.

 

To operate the Dora smooth Hands are requierd

 

 

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36 minutes ago, MAD-MM said:

Dora did have 15 AOA as the P-51 for example

Well, the P-51 also stalls when you pull too hard on the stick 😉 I figured too much AOA was the reason for both.

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8 minutes ago, MrExplosion said:

Well, the P-51 also stalls when you pull too hard on the stick 😉 I figured too much AOA was the reason for both.

At slow speeds will reach of course higher then 15 AOA, this case it is Aerodynamic stall. At higher Speeds you will ecounter accelerated Stall first thats your G-Load. Fw-190 does in both cases at lot worse then the P-51, Fw-190 higher Wingload (Stall Speed) and absolute unforgiving accellertated Stalls because of the Wingflex. Fw-190 does at max so far I remember 8G, you can easy rip your Wings appart in the P-51 with well over 10G without Stalling out.

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As mentioned the smoother you are with the D9, and presumably also the A8, the better it will fly. It can turn but you need to load the wings smoothly / progressively, not just give it all the load at once. Flying smoother will also help you retain energy. I'd recommend setting some curves on your joystick to assist with this. But the Fw190 series has high wing loading, so it is not the best at turning... rolling on the other hand.

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On 6/8/2021 at 2:04 PM, VH-Rock said:

Use the turn/slip indicator to your advantage

The question I ask myself here is, isn't that rather inconvenient for us sim pilots?

Don't real ones feel the slip and then automatically compensate for it.

Similar with the g forces.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Hobel said:

The question I ask myself here is, isn't that rather inconvenient for us sim pilots?

Don't real ones feel the slip and then automatically compensate for it.

Similar with the g forces.

 

 

Not always, in some cases pilot is not able to feel it, this is why you have this gauge.

So this slip indicator is extremely important, check P-47 D-30 early heaving slip indicator at gun sight.

So sim or not you are dependent on this slip indicator.

It is all about learning in flying sim, this is quite different then real flying. Some sim pilots fly perfect coordinated some not.

I will never support any artificial slip correction for warbirds.

 


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3 hours ago, Hobel said:

The question I ask myself here is, isn't that rather inconvenient for us sim pilots?

Don't real ones feel the slip and then automatically compensate for it.

Similar with the g forces.

 

 

I don't consider flying accurately inconvenient - it's how it should be done. But, I've always flown warbirds in sims and I've always done it. You'd be surprised at how natural it is when you've been doing it for a little while. The amount varies from aircraft to aircraft, but it usually doesn't take me long to fly coordinated in a new type. 

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5 hours ago, Hobel said:

The question I ask myself here is, isn't that rather inconvenient for us sim pilots?

Don't real ones feel the slip and then automatically compensate for it.

Similar with the g forces.

 

 

Hobel you dont feel the Slip automatical, when you not full slapping the Ruder for a Sideslip.........Glider Pilots allways says Powered Aircraft only using the Rudder to Taxi on the Ground. You can see it when you fly sloppy where the Nose is pointing in a Turn or checking the Slip indicator but it is not different to DCS, after some time it is simple automatic mind Action. You also tend to overreact when you change the Planes from somewhat with high Ruder Force to something with low Ruder Force 109 to P-51 aswel in real live..

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I love P-47 D-30 early for this slip indicator on gun sight, just so much easier to keep it coordinated, no need to look at main gauges panel, from same reason i hate spitfire the super weird slip indicator.

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Also if you include a track with the controls indicators showing we can better diagnose what you are seeing.

 

These aircraft and FMs are very complex, and many people like using curves to get them how they like, or its simple getting to know the limits of your aircraft.

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