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Is there even enough space for the NS430?

I am glad it has at least a analog moving map.

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They didn't even do that for uh1 which is perfectly suitable and has a space

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3 hours ago, ojanim said:

Is there even enough space for the NS430?

Yes, there's lots of free space once you remove the map box :lol:

 

This Mi-24 has a Garmin GPS 155XL TSO and Tactical Radio? fitted where the doppler map box once was ...

Vnt5yoY.jpg

 

https://youtu.be/2kC3tWzwD_A?t=146

 

... not sure who the operator is.

 

I wouldn't mind an older Garmin option like this in the DCS Mi-24 or UH-1 but only if it functioned correctly.

 

Garmin GPS 155XL TSO, 1107553.jpg

 

The current NS430 is little more than a toy and IMHO would spoil a high fidelity DCS Mi-24 if fitted as standard, so should be left as a 2D popup (unless ED ever bring the NS430 up to standard)


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25 minutes ago, Ramsay said:

Yes, there's lots of free space once you remove the map box :lol:

 

This Mi-24 has a Garmin GPS 155XL TSO and Tactical Radio? fitted where the doppler map box once was ...

Vnt5yoY.jpg

 

https://youtu.be/2kC3tWzwD_A?t=146

 

... not sure who the operator is.

 

I wouldn't mind an older Garmin option like this in the DCS Mi-24 or UH-1 but only if it functioned correctly.

 

Garmin GPS 155XL TSO, 1107553.jpg

 

The current NS430 is little more than a toy and IMHO would spoil a high fidelity DCS Mi-24 if fitted as standard, so should be left as a 2D popup (unless ED ever bring the NS430 up to standard)

 

 

I guess it would really hurt to replace the beautiful map box.
I heard it was not that accurate, but I hope it will be very fun to use.

 

 

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On 5/25/2021 at 1:38 AM, ojanim said:

I guess it would really hurt to replace the beautiful map box.
I heard it was not that accurate, but I hope it will be very fun to use.

 

It is at most as accurate as the Doppler Navigation System is, and its main inaccuracy is the map scale and the helicopter position marker stamp.

But the best thing is that you have no problems to synchronize its to your position if you see it is inaccurate, as long you just can see somewhat outside. 

 

Like if you fly 100 meters on the right side of the river but map shows you fly at the left side of river (1 mm in the 1:250000 map is 200 meters) then you don't care about such error.

If it shows you fly 1 km off from the location, you just roll the dial slightly to reposition it for your position. 

 

You don't use map to navigate under 1 km distances as you are suppose to be visually at that moment. You use it to know that are you on right canyon or that 5 km from your left there is a river and 10 km ahead is the wanted town.

 

That is why I don't care about the NS430 not to be implemented in the Mi-24P as you have so amazing map to start.

 

A digital moving map like ABRIS in the KA-50 is fancy and very nice as it is tied to your weapons system and how you designate targets or you see your flight members on it.

 

A digital moving map in a Hornet or Harrier is... Let's say questionable.

And I adore the digital moving map in the Harrier. Not so much in the Hornet as it is not so well designed cockpit for ground attack like Harrier is.

But in Harrier the map is anyways incorrectly implemented, but what it has, it is very nice how the system is integrated for weapons. The navigation part in it is as usable as in Hornet, you get your waypoint and you get to fly there. But when you fire gun, rockets or you release bombs, the Harrier should designate the point and open up automatically the map for you on DDI that sensor you used, create the ground angle when you released weapons so you can see on map that what was your attack line and then assist you nicely back to it, requiring you to re-select sensor for attack etc. 

 

The paper map in the Mi-24 is not tied to weapons. So you don't simply care about it.

If there would be a digital map in Mi-24P that has no connection with the weapons, then it would be almost waste of time.

Maybe the nicest thing would be a automatic GPS assisted time calculation for next waypoint or so, but good pilot can perform that calculation quickly even in good ball park with the knowledge of the speed and distance. 

 

And I am waiting to have change to create own JPG files for the map boards, because then for mission I could write the leg information (speed, angle, altitude etc) as well draw troops locations, expected/assumed threats around etc. Like why not just use a pen to draw on that map that where everything is when you are planning mission?

 

NS430 can't provide anything as fancy there, and it can't survive from the GPS jamming... 

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Moving map with doppler sensor is better because it is less capable.

It's more fun since it is not so perfect, requiring some attention, observation of environment, corrections - actual things to do.

 

GPS would be perfectly accurate and you wouldn't have to do anything.


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+1 for GNS430 as option.

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I'd be in favour of having the option, but in its current state, I don't really care for it.

 

As for the map, I hope it's implemented with realistic limitations such as having to realign the indicator manually after switching to a different map and not having an unlimited supply of maps covering the entire game world available to you at all times. And custom images, we need custom images, those will be amazing for campaigns.

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On 5/25/2021 at 9:30 AM, Razorback said:

Alexander as clearly announced that the NS430 will be not modeled in the Hind.

Interesting then there is a checkbox option for NS430 in the ME.

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28 minutes ago, VampireNZ said:

Interesting then there is a checkbox option for NS430 in the ME.

 

I think that's for the pop-up window NS430 which you can open using LAlt+LShift+B

 

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5 minutes ago, jonsky7 said:

 

 

I think that's for the pop-up window NS430 which you can open using LAlt+LShift+B

 

 

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On 5/24/2021 at 5:05 PM, Ramsay said:

This Mi-24 has a Garmin GPS 155XL TSO and Tactical Radio? fitted where the doppler map box once was ...

Vnt5yoY.jpg

 

Great find! That would be a very cool option.

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