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Hi,

 

After a long time of being absent (20+jr), I want to pick up flight sims again. I want to buy a Virpil set-up and wonder if there is anyone Sr user out there who can help me with the selection of stick, base, extension, tablemounts etc...

 

Thanks.

Ps. I know it takes a while to be delivered.

 

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Uff...

that is really hard to answer, cause a lot of those questions regards your personal environment.

 

The one suggestion I would give is, that you want a long extension. That gives you so much more fine control which can be useful for flying difficult maneuvers, like hovering a harrier or air-to-air refueling e.g.

Keep in mind though, that a long extension needs a long table mount, which pushes you quite far back from your desk. Could be an potential issue with small monitors or short arms. 😅

 

For the grip - consider which will be your most important/most complex module, and see that you select a grip that has sufficient amount of heads and buttons. E.g. the F-14 grip is certainly optimal if you want to fly a F-14, but is otherwise very limited and insufficiant for an A-10 or F/A-18 to map the hotas close to the real aircraft.

You can use thrustmaster grips with virpil bases, though.

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21 hours ago, Hiob said:

Uff...

that is really hard to answer, cause a lot of those questions regards your personal environment.

 

The one suggestion I would give is, that you want a long extension. That gives you so much more fine control which can be useful for flying difficult maneuvers, like hovering a harrier or air-to-air refueling e.g.

Keep in mind though, that a long extension needs a long table mount, which pushes you quite far back from your desk. Could be an potential issue with small monitors or short arms. 😅

 

For the grip - consider which will be your most important/most complex module, and see that you select a grip that has sufficient amount of heads and buttons. E.g. the F-14 grip is certainly optimal if you want to fly a F-14, but is otherwise very limited and insufficiant for an A-10 or F/A-18 to map the hotas close to the real aircraft.

You can use thrustmaster grips with virpil bases, though.

 

Thanks for the reply! I am going to fly the FA-18 to start with. I was wondering if I should use the Mongoose or the constellation.

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Mongoose is let's say a bit more close to a standard layout and ergonomy to the F18/A10/F16 sticks.

On other hand Alpha Constellation has some more functions available on it, like an extra analog minijoystick. Also Alpha is a bit more appealing on aspect and have an  Lockable Twist Axis as well, unlike the Mongooos

You can check on Virpil's product description and see what type of inputs you gonna prefer. My personal opinion goes for Alpha, but this only for me!

 

As bases, the choice is pretty simple .. if you look for a table top mount then WarBRD is the way to go. If you want a center mounted stick with extension then CM2 is the way to go. 

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Please do also consider a vkb base.

Quality wise vkb is en par with virpil, but the joystick base has the advantage of adjustable friction damper. The only downside of vkb is that you need an adapter, if you want to use a warthog grip at some point (no problem, though).

 

I’ve never had any issues with mixing virpil (my throttle) and vkb (my stick, with a warthog grip).


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27 minutes ago, Hiob said:

Please do also consider a vkb base.

Quality wise vkb is en par with virpil, but the joystick base has the advantage of adjustable friction damper. The only downside of vkb is that you need an adapter, if you want to use a warthog grip at some point (no problem, though).

 

I’ve never had any issues with mixing virpil (my throttle) and vkb (my stick, with a warthog grip).

 

 

Thank you. Just was on their website and could not find the base only option? Looked like Grips or Grips with base. Am I correct in thinking that they are a little bit more expensive as Virpil?

 

I also did not see the throttle as something you can buy?

(looking at EU site)


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Sorry, when I bought it, I chose the bundle with the F-14 grip. I can‘t tell if they sell it standalone.

They don‘t have a throttle option as far as I‘m aware of. I‘m just using their base (with extensions and mounts).

The F-14 grip is good, but I tried a TM warthog A-10/F-16 grip and stayed with it.  (the f-14-grip really is only good for the f-14 and simpler aircraft, but not suitable for A-10/FA-18/F-16 and so on...)

 

Don‘t get me wrong. There is really nothing wrong with virpil. I think it‘s pretty much the gold standard (except, they don‘t have much replica options).

 

I suggest to look for some in depth reviews on either hardware on youtube.

 

Edit: Important! Regarding TM Warthog, I only would recommend their grip-option. The base is crap (IMHO).


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5 hours ago, Hiob said:

Sorry, when I bought it, I chose the bundle with the F-14 grip. I can‘t tell if they sell it standalone.

They don‘t have a throttle option as far as I‘m aware of. I‘m just using their base (with extensions and mounts).

The F-14 grip is good, but I tried a TM warthog A-10/F-16 grip and stayed with it.  (the f-14-grip really is only good for the f-14 and simpler aircraft, but not suitable for A-10/FA-18/F-16 and so on...)

 

Don‘t get me wrong. There is really nothing wrong with virpil. I think it‘s pretty much the gold standard (except, they don‘t have much replica options).

 

I suggest to look for some in depth reviews on either hardware on youtube.

 

Edit: Important! Regarding TM Warthog, I only would recommend their grip-option. The base is crap (IMHO).

 

Since I will be spending a lot of money (base - grip-throttle - 2 x table mounts) and maybe the rudders... I am watching a LOT of video. Can't find any about comparing mongoost vs Constellation... so far I am assuming constellation is more space sim oriented?

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Yeah, I can't say something about those.

Neither is a replica, so I won't care, if it is "meant" for space sims.

What I like about the Constellation is the wheel in the middle. I always considered it ideal for zooming (from the looks of it - never had a chance of actually trying).

They seem to have about the same amount of buttons and heads...

 

Consider the size of your hands.

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2 hours ago, Hiob said:

Yeah, I can't say something about those.

Neither is a replica, so I won't care, if it is "meant" for space sims.

What I like about the Constellation is the wheel in the middle. I always considered it ideal for zooming (from the looks of it - never had a chance of actually trying).

They seem to have about the same amount of buttons and heads...

 

Consider the size of your hands.

 

When I measure my hands, where can I check if I match up?

 

Does anyone know how much space/depth a deck mount needs on your desk... how far does it go onto your desk (I have 7,3 cm)?  It's 7,5 cm 🙂


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I don't think that exact measuring of your hands will help...

that's not how it works, unfortunately. 😅

 

I was just refering to some reviews, where it was mentioned, that stick xyz is exceptional long/large and not for small hands.

I was just reminded of that, when I saw the picture of the MongoosT. (which looks long)

 

I guess, if you happen to have exceptional small hands, you'd probably already be aware of it.

 

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The first picture shows the control stick assembly with the large extension and throw.

For me this is pretty much the best/most versatile setup.

 

The only important point to consider is, that the long angled mount pushes you quite far away from your desk.

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Yes I agree, if you really need your mouse to do stuff... you might need to do something with that too.

 

I have a DXRacer chair, I am now also starting to wonder if you can still sit comfortably while interacting with all these set up. You don't want to pull your stick into your chair.

 

The more I research, the more questions I have.....

 

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13 minutes ago, Bullshit said:

You don't want to pull your stick into your chair.

Time to cut some:

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