resolved 2.7.0.4625 Open Beta crash at second mission load

[DOBBO45]

10 crashes all mission editor since todays update ..

[XPACT]

Biggest problem here is not the crashes, current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April, this is to say the least a bit worrying. There is no fix in the progress since they can't recreate crashes and I don't see that changing anytime soon to be honest.

 

Good thing is that we have some bandaging solutions like deleting FXO to keep us going...

 

[Sonoda Umi]

 

29 minutes ago, XPACT said:

Biggest problem here is not the crashes, current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April, this is to say the least a bit worrying. There is no fix in the progress since they can't recreate crashes and I don't see that changing anytime soon to be honest.

 

Good thing is that we have some bandaging solutions like deleting FXO to keep us going...

 

 current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April + 1

 

This is the real point which makes we still stall on multiple crashes.

[mobile83]

I just crash, it's even worse than before

dcs.log-20210506-001425.zip

[jfnelson0127]

The crashes are constant now. I know I'm getting the "second load crash".

 

I'm getting a bit frustrated because there doesn't really seem to be a remedy for this despite the fact that a pretty wide swath of users are suffering from the same problem. Deleting FXO and my local/temp DCS folders appears to be a fool's errand. I still get the crashes.

 

Log attached.

dcs.20210506-011607.log

[Ironhand]

Just because I'm grasping at straws...

 

Which executable are we using to start the sim--DCS.exe or DCS_updater.exe? I use DCS/exe.

[Nealius]

When flying VR, DCS_Updater.exe. When editing missions or filming replay tracks, DCS.exe. 

 

I get second-mission crashes from both, but they are very inconsistent for me. They happen more in VR or when playing replay tracks, and occur much less when test-running missions I'm building. I have a hunch that if you start the mission as a spectator the incidence of crashes is less. It seems to crash more often if I jump straight into a cockpit while testing missions.

[jfnelson0127]

49 minutes ago, Ironhand said:

Just because I'm grasping at straws...

 

Which executable are we using to start the sim--DCS.exe or DCS_updater.exe? I use DCS/exe.

Just "DCS" I believe. The executable is located in my "ThisPC>F Drive (my SSD)>SteamLibrary>steamapps>common>DCSWorld>bin

[CoBlue]

Still crashes, this OB update didn't help.

[Flappie]

If you're using an FPS limiter, please try to disable it and see if crashes keep coming.

[FR4GGL3]

Hello all, I used to use a FPS Limiter (60 FPS) via the nVidia Control Panel. So i switched it off. But that didn't help. I still have the crash on 2nd Quickstart Mission. Yesterday I used the F-14 against the Flanker on Caucasus. As soon as it was down, I hit End Mission and tried the free flight on Caucasus in the F-14 => crash. And that without FPS Limiter and resetted nVidia DCS Profile.

 

So I went back using the FPS Limiter. It helps me to safe energy and heat. You know, I've heared that fast GFX Cards are rare these days.

 

 

 

9900K @ stock with nVidia Gigabyte 3080 Gaming OC @ stock on 32 GB RAM @ XMP. This System has been stabel at any torture Test I have thrown at it - even LinX with every Residual matched. Except DCS Beta 2.7

 

 

[Alpiinoo]

22nd crash for me

Edit: 23rd.

Edited May 6, 2021 by Alpiinoo

[Gryzor]

On 4/28/2021 at 1:05 PM, mobile83 said:

first load, crash

 

 

dcs.log-20210428-110357.zip 466.18 kB · 11 downloads

 

12 hours ago, mobile83 said:

I just crash, it's even worse than before

dcs.log-20210506-001425.zip 686.53 kB · 2 downloads

I have the same first loading crashes of others users I see (only one time, after loading the sim, instant action in caucasus with F-18 - free flight mission -).

In W10 event viewer, I noticed that 1-2 seconds before crash, a security W10 update happened, It could be related?

In logs, I have the same issues related with ImGui.dll.

 

EDIT: attach DCS logs and screenshots with eventviewer

dcs.log-20210506-003831.zip

Edited May 6, 2021 by Gryzor

[Conroy]

Why CTD happens at second time mission loading?

 

Cache problem? RAM? Where we need to look at if .logs doesn't help? Windows events maybe?

 

We need to undertsand why "the second".

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy

[imacken]

Same here. Crash every session, but I can't see the pattern if there is one.  Sometimes it's on second mission, sometimes it's on selecting a mission after restart, etc.

[makosch]

Ok time to chime in here...sadly I am also suffering. I did a complete reinstall yesterday sadly no luck. Here are the logs from my most recent session. As everyone reports...first mission no issues. But as soon as I switch to a new mission "boom" crash. Tried all the tips and fixes suggested here. No dice!

 

hope for everyones sake ED manages to squash this Bug.

 

happy flying

 

Rampart

 

 

dcs.log-20210506-105730.zip dcs.log

[Conroy]

Vsync "Application controlled" (DCS Vsync on), three mission load without CTD (the same mission).

Roll back to Vsync on in Nvdia setting (DCS Vsync off), here we go with CTD again.

No PFS capping.

 

CTD log with Vsync off in DCS.

 

 

dcs.log-20210506-111012.zip

Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy

[Flappie]

3 hours ago, Gryzor said:

In W10 event viewer, I noticed that 1-2 seconds before crash, a security W10 update happened, It could be related?

Please show us how it looks like, either with a screenshot of with an Event viewer log.

[Gryzor]

31 minutes ago, Flappie said:

Please show us how it looks like, either with a screenshot of with an Event viewer log.

I upload the screenshots. DSC crash happened at 2:38:44, and securitycenter update just 1 second before (2:38:43).

In addition, attach zip with DCS log

dcs.log-20210506-003831.zip

[Flia]

Wow. This Finding looks promising!

 

[wowbagger]

I'm loathe to even suggest this, but I think there was another flight sim which showed similar crashing errors and users found they could avoid them by disabling Real-Time Protection. I think it was blocking memory access.

 

I can't test it since my game has stopped crashing for the past three days since I moved my Page File to a non-system drive. If and when it starts happening again I will try this out.

[imacken]

Interestingly, looking back at my Event Viewer log, I can see that on the last 6-8 DCS crashes, Security Center was in all cases the previous entry to the DCS crash.

[Conroy]

5 minuti fa, imacken ha scritto:

Interestingly, looking back at my Event Viewer log, I can see that on the last 6-8 DCS crashes, Security Center was in all cases the previous entry to the DCS crash.

 

Exactly.

 

My applicatios report:

 

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll

 

Cita

Nome dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: DCS.exe, versione: 2.7.0.5659, timestamp: 0x609130c2
Nome del modulo che ha generato l'errore: d3d11.dll, versione: 10.0.19041.746, timestamp: 0xfc177b9d
Codice eccezione: 0xc0000005
Offset errore 0x00000000000a77a4
ID processo che ha generato l'errore: 0x1b70
Ora di avvio dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: 0x01d74267cacd8acd
Percorso dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe
Percorso del modulo che ha generato l'errore: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll
ID segnalazione: f148c6f8-72a3-4e22-b725-5a9c46d39cff
Nome completo pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: 
ID applicazione relativo al pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: 

 

Cita

EventData

DCS.exe

2.7.0.5659

609130c2

d3d11.dll

10.0.19041.746

fc177b9d

c0000005

00000000000a77a4

1b70

01d74267cacd8acd

D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll

f148c6f8-72a3-4e22-b725-5a9c46d39cff

 

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll

 

Cita

Nome dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: DCS.exe, versione: 2.7.0.5659, timestamp: 0x609130c2
Nome del modulo che ha generato l'errore: ntdll.dll, versione: 10.0.19041.964, timestamp: 0xbd2c3c23
Codice eccezione: 0xc0000005
Offset errore 0x0000000000063416
ID processo che ha generato l'errore: 0x1564
Ora di avvio dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: 0x01d7426699257076
Percorso dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe
Percorso del modulo che ha generato l'errore: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll
ID segnalazione: 4e4a5ba5-0cb4-428e-8786-49ce1dab7f56
Nome completo pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: 
ID applicazione relativo al pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: 

 

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EventData

DCS.exe

2.7.0.5659

609130c2

ntdll.dll

10.0.19041.964

bd2c3c23

c0000005

0000000000063416

1564

01d7426699257076

D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe

C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll

4e4a5ba5-0cb4-428e-8786-49ce1dab7f56

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy

[FR4GGL3]

I also have this SPP-Events.

 

But I can also force "App Crash" Events for DCS.EXE simply by fooling around with VSync Settings. I get them if I set the preferred Refresh Rate to "Highest" instead of "Application Controlled" and set the VSync Option "on" in DCS. The Result is a hard locked DCS without a crash report. It is simply frozen.

 

The settings from the uploaded screenshots seem to work for my machine (no guarantee that it could help others). I tried several quickstart Missions and stopped them, got to the next quickstart Mission - till now without a CTD or AppCrash (Driver Version is 466.27 and I have rBAR enabled)

 

I have to admit, that I use a 144Hz Refresh Rate and usually use my Monitors FreeSync Capabilities with FPS Cap to and never use VSync because of the Input Lag. But that doesn't work well in DCS. At the Stable Version (2.5.6.xx), I don't need to set anything else then fixed refresh rate and a FPS Cap - no VSync. But if I use the same Settings at 2.7 I get CTDs mostly on the second Quickstart Mission or the second run of the same Mission.

 

As I wrote, these Settings seem to Work for me at the moment - but I have to test them a few more days:

 

Edited May 6, 2021 by FR4GGL3

[Flappie]

3 hours ago, Gryzor said:

I upload the screenshots. DSC crash happened at 2:38:44, and securitycenter update just 1 second before (2:38:43).

In addition, attach zip with DCS log

Many thanks!

I have two remarks:

• Your crashlog doesn't show the second mission loading crash (the main subject of this thread).
• Your crash happens 13 seconds before the Security Center event is logged. Maybe this event is triggered by DCS crashing, and not the other way around. However, I've just crashed DCS on purpose (thanks to an old Viggen bug ) and I didn't see any "Security Center" event logged near the crash event.

Your crashlog (not second mission loading related):

2021-05-06 00:38:30.836 INFO    COCKPITBASE: lua state still active MACROS, 55 (status undefined)
2021-05-06 00:38:30.836 INFO    COCKPITBASE: lua state still active TGP_INTERFACE, 62 (status undefined)
2021-05-06 00:38:30.848 INFO    WORLDGENERAL: load Scripts/World/birds.lua
2021-05-06 00:38:30.848 INFO    DCS: dbox not found , skip
2021-05-06 00:38:30.860 INFO    EDCORE: try to write dump information
2021-05-06 00:38:30.860 INFO    EDCORE: # -------------- 20210506-003831 --------------
2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO    EDCORE: DCS/2.7.0.5659 (x86_64; Windows NT 10.0.19042)
2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO    EDCORE: C:\RS\DCS World\bin\ImGui.dll
2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO    EDCORE: # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 854E2B26 00:00000000
2021-05-06 00:38:30.863 INFO    EDCORE: SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;C:\RS\DCS World;C:\RS\DCS World\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;SRV*C:\websymbols*https://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;', symOptions: 528, UserName: 'Gryzor'
2021-05-06 00:38:30.863 INFO    EDCORE: OS-Version: 10.0.19042 () 0x300-0x1
2021-05-06 00:38:31.100 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000052B26 (ImGui): ImGui_ImplDX11_RenderDrawData + 0xA46
2021-05-06 00:38:31.100 INFO    EDCORE: 0x000000000005F2AF (GraphicsCore): Graphics::fireRendererCallbacks + 0x18F
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000000328B5 (GraphicsVista): Graphics::Renderer::EndFrame + 0x25
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000171C7B (Visualizer): smSceneManager::CreateSceneManager + 0x9BDB
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x000000000017276E (Visualizer): smSceneManager::CreateSceneManager + 0xA6CE
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000804120 (DCS): SW + 0x513770
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000007FFA94 (DCS): SW + 0x50F0E4
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000801B2E (DCS): SW + 0x51117E
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000007E9349 (DCS): SW + 0x4F8999
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x000000000011786A (edCore): Common::FSM::sendOutputSymbol_ + 0x4A
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000116F02 (edCore): Common::FSM::enterToState_ + 0xC2
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000001176E9 (edCore): Common::FSM::onSymbol_ + 0x1A9
2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000007FF491 (DCS): SW + 0x50EAE1
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000007D0234 (DCS): SW + 0x4DF884
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x00000000007D060D (DCS): SW + 0x4DFC5D
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000001C38FBD (DCS): AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance + 0xE49FB9
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000A071BE (DCS): SW + 0x71680E
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000017034 (KERNEL32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x14
2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO    EDCORE: 0x0000000000052651 (ntdll): RtlUserThreadStart + 0x21
2021-05-06 00:38:31.311 INFO    EDCORE: Minidump created.

 

 

For those experiencing the second mission loading crash : it'd be very interesting to know if you can all see this "Security Event" event logged just seconds before the DCS crash is logged... To do this, open Windows Event Viewer, then go to "Windows Logs" -> "Applications". If you find something interesting, please attach a screenshot.