DOBBO45 Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 10 crashes all mission editor since todays update .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XPACT Posted May 5, 2021 Author Share Posted May 5, 2021 Biggest problem here is not the crashes, current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April, this is to say the least a bit worrying. There is no fix in the progress since they can't recreate crashes and I don't see that changing anytime soon to be honest. Good thing is that we have some bandaging solutions like deleting FXO to keep us going... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoda Umi Posted May 5, 2021 Share Posted May 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, XPACT said: Biggest problem here is not the crashes, current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April, this is to say the least a bit worrying. There is no fix in the progress since they can't recreate crashes and I don't see that changing anytime soon to be honest. Good thing is that we have some bandaging solutions like deleting FXO to keep us going... current problem is that developers and even closed beta testers can't recreate these from 14th April + 1 This is the real point which makes we still stall on multiple crashes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile83 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I just crash, it's even worse than before dcs.log-20210506-001425.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfnelson0127 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 The crashes are constant now. I know I'm getting the "second load crash". I'm getting a bit frustrated because there doesn't really seem to be a remedy for this despite the fact that a pretty wide swath of users are suffering from the same problem. Deleting FXO and my local/temp DCS folders appears to be a fool's errand. I still get the crashes. Log attached. dcs.20210506-011607.log 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironhand Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Just because I'm grasping at straws... Which executable are we using to start the sim--DCS.exe or DCS_updater.exe? I use DCS/exe. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 10 Pro x64, ASUS Z97 Pro MoBo, Intel i7-4790K, EVGA GTX 970 4GB, HyperX Savage 32GB, Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB SSD, 2x Seagate Hybrid Drive 2TB Raid 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealius Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 When flying VR, DCS_Updater.exe. When editing missions or filming replay tracks, DCS.exe. I get second-mission crashes from both, but they are very inconsistent for me. They happen more in VR or when playing replay tracks, and occur much less when test-running missions I'm building. I have a hunch that if you start the mission as a spectator the incidence of crashes is less. It seems to crash more often if I jump straight into a cockpit while testing missions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfnelson0127 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 49 minutes ago, Ironhand said: Just because I'm grasping at straws... Which executable are we using to start the sim--DCS.exe or DCS_updater.exe? I use DCS/exe. Just "DCS" I believe. The executable is located in my "ThisPC>F Drive (my SSD)>SteamLibrary>steamapps>common>DCSWorld>bin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Still crashes, this OB update didn't help. i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 If you're using an FPS limiter, please try to disable it and see if crashes keep coming. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR4GGL3 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Hello all, I used to use a FPS Limiter (60 FPS) via the nVidia Control Panel. So i switched it off. But that didn't help. I still have the crash on 2nd Quickstart Mission. Yesterday I used the F-14 against the Flanker on Caucasus. As soon as it was down, I hit End Mission and tried the free flight on Caucasus in the F-14 => crash. And that without FPS Limiter and resetted nVidia DCS Profile. So I went back using the FPS Limiter. It helps me to safe energy and heat. You know, I've heared that fast GFX Cards are rare these days. 9900K @ stock with nVidia Gigabyte 3080 Gaming OC @ stock on 32 GB RAM @ XMP. This System has been stabel at any torture Test I have thrown at it - even LinX with every Residual matched. Except DCS Beta 2.7 14700K | MSI Z690 Carbon | Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC | 64GB DDR5 6000 G.Skill Ripjaws S5 | Creative SoundBlaster X-FI Titanium HD on a Violectric V90 Headphone amp and Fostex TH600 Headphones | LG 42 C227LA & Samsung C32HG70 | TrackIR 5 | Virpil WarBRD with VFX Grip | Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle | VKB T-Rudder Pedals MK IV I only fool around the F-14 - and still having a hard time on it as there is so much to learn and so little time and talent. But I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpiinoo Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 22nd crash for me Edit: 23rd. Edited May 6, 2021 by Alpiinoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryzor Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) On 4/28/2021 at 1:05 PM, mobile83 said: first load, crash dcs.log-20210428-110357.zip 466.18 kB · 11 downloads 12 hours ago, mobile83 said: I just crash, it's even worse than before dcs.log-20210506-001425.zip 686.53 kB · 2 downloads I have the same first loading crashes of others users I see (only one time, after loading the sim, instant action in caucasus with F-18 - free flight mission -). In W10 event viewer, I noticed that 1-2 seconds before crash, a security W10 update happened, It could be related? In logs, I have the same issues related with ImGui.dll. EDIT: attach DCS logs and screenshots with eventviewer dcs.log-20210506-003831.zip Edited May 6, 2021 by Gryzor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conroy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) Why CTD happens at second time mission loading? Cache problem? RAM? Where we need to look at if .logs doesn't help? Windows events maybe? We need to undertsand why "the second". Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Same here. Crash every session, but I can't see the pattern if there is one. Sometimes it's on second mission, sometimes it's on selecting a mission after restart, etc. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makosch Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Ok time to chime in here...sadly I am also suffering. I did a complete reinstall yesterday sadly no luck. Here are the logs from my most recent session. As everyone reports...first mission no issues. But as soon as I switch to a new mission "boom" crash. Tried all the tips and fixes suggested here. No dice! hope for everyones sake ED manages to squash this Bug. happy flying Rampart dcs.log-20210506-105730.zip dcs.log Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conroy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) Vsync "Application controlled" (DCS Vsync on), three mission load without CTD (the same mission). Roll back to Vsync on in Nvdia setting (DCS Vsync off), here we go with CTD again. No PFS capping. CTD log with Vsync off in DCS. dcs.log-20210506-111012.zip Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Gryzor said: In W10 event viewer, I noticed that 1-2 seconds before crash, a security W10 update happened, It could be related? Please show us how it looks like, either with a screenshot of with an Event viewer log. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gryzor Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 31 minutes ago, Flappie said: Please show us how it looks like, either with a screenshot of with an Event viewer log. I upload the screenshots. DSC crash happened at 2:38:44, and securitycenter update just 1 second before (2:38:43). In addition, attach zip with DCS log dcs.log-20210506-003831.zip 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flia Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Wow. This Finding looks promising! PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowbagger Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I'm loathe to even suggest this, but I think there was another flight sim which showed similar crashing errors and users found they could avoid them by disabling Real-Time Protection. I think it was blocking memory access. I can't test it since my game has stopped crashing for the past three days since I moved my Page File to a non-system drive. If and when it starts happening again I will try this out. CPU:5600X | GPU:RTX2080 | RAM:32GB | Disk:860EVOm.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imacken Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Interestingly, looking back at my Event Viewer log, I can see that on the last 6-8 DCS crashes, Security Center was in all cases the previous entry to the DCS crash. Intel i7 12700K · MSI Gaming X Trio RTX 4090 · ASUS ROG STRIX Z690-A Wi-Fi · MSI 32" MPG321UR QD · Samsung 970 500Gb M.2 NVMe · 2 x Samsung 850 Evo 1Tb · 2Tb HDD · 32Gb Corsair Vengance 3000MHz DDR4 · Windows 11 · Thrustmaster TPR Pedals · Tobii Eye Tracker 5 · Thrustmaster F/A-18 Hornet Grip · Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base · Virpil Throttle MT-50 CM3 · Virpil Alpha Prime Grip · Virpil Control Panel 2 · Thrustmaster F-16 MFDs · HTC Vive Pro 2 · Total Controls Multifunction Button Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conroy Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 5 minuti fa, imacken ha scritto: Interestingly, looking back at my Event Viewer log, I can see that on the last 6-8 DCS crashes, Security Center was in all cases the previous entry to the DCS crash. Exactly. My applicatios report: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll Cita Nome dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: DCS.exe, versione: 2.7.0.5659, timestamp: 0x609130c2 Nome del modulo che ha generato l'errore: d3d11.dll, versione: 10.0.19041.746, timestamp: 0xfc177b9d Codice eccezione: 0xc0000005 Offset errore 0x00000000000a77a4 ID processo che ha generato l'errore: 0x1b70 Ora di avvio dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: 0x01d74267cacd8acd Percorso dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe Percorso del modulo che ha generato l'errore: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll ID segnalazione: f148c6f8-72a3-4e22-b725-5a9c46d39cff Nome completo pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: ID applicazione relativo al pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: Cita EventData DCS.exe 2.7.0.5659 609130c2 d3d11.dll 10.0.19041.746 fc177b9d c0000005 00000000000a77a4 1b70 01d74267cacd8acd D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\d3d11.dll f148c6f8-72a3-4e22-b725-5a9c46d39cff C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll Cita Nome dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: DCS.exe, versione: 2.7.0.5659, timestamp: 0x609130c2 Nome del modulo che ha generato l'errore: ntdll.dll, versione: 10.0.19041.964, timestamp: 0xbd2c3c23 Codice eccezione: 0xc0000005 Offset errore 0x0000000000063416 ID processo che ha generato l'errore: 0x1564 Ora di avvio dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: 0x01d7426699257076 Percorso dell'applicazione che ha generato l'errore: D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe Percorso del modulo che ha generato l'errore: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll ID segnalazione: 4e4a5ba5-0cb4-428e-8786-49ce1dab7f56 Nome completo pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: ID applicazione relativo al pacchetto che ha generato l'errore: Cita EventData DCS.exe 2.7.0.5659 609130c2 ntdll.dll 10.0.19041.964 bd2c3c23 c0000005 0000000000063416 1564 01d7426699257076 D:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\bin\DCS.exe C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntdll.dll 4e4a5ba5-0cb4-428e-8786-49ce1dab7f56 Edited May 6, 2021 by Conroy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FR4GGL3 Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) I also have this SPP-Events. But I can also force "App Crash" Events for DCS.EXE simply by fooling around with VSync Settings. I get them if I set the preferred Refresh Rate to "Highest" instead of "Application Controlled" and set the VSync Option "on" in DCS. The Result is a hard locked DCS without a crash report. It is simply frozen. The settings from the uploaded screenshots seem to work for my machine (no guarantee that it could help others). I tried several quickstart Missions and stopped them, got to the next quickstart Mission - till now without a CTD or AppCrash (Driver Version is 466.27 and I have rBAR enabled) I have to admit, that I use a 144Hz Refresh Rate and usually use my Monitors FreeSync Capabilities with FPS Cap to and never use VSync because of the Input Lag. But that doesn't work well in DCS. At the Stable Version (2.5.6.xx), I don't need to set anything else then fixed refresh rate and a FPS Cap - no VSync. But if I use the same Settings at 2.7 I get CTDs mostly on the second Quickstart Mission or the second run of the same Mission. As I wrote, these Settings seem to Work for me at the moment - but I have to test them a few more days: Edited May 6, 2021 by FR4GGL3 14700K | MSI Z690 Carbon | Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC | 64GB DDR5 6000 G.Skill Ripjaws S5 | Creative SoundBlaster X-FI Titanium HD on a Violectric V90 Headphone amp and Fostex TH600 Headphones | LG 42 C227LA & Samsung C32HG70 | TrackIR 5 | Virpil WarBRD with VFX Grip | Thrustmaster Warthog Throttle | VKB T-Rudder Pedals MK IV I only fool around the F-14 - and still having a hard time on it as there is so much to learn and so little time and talent. But I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, Gryzor said: I upload the screenshots. DSC crash happened at 2:38:44, and securitycenter update just 1 second before (2:38:43). In addition, attach zip with DCS log Many thanks! I have two remarks: Your crashlog doesn't show the second mission loading crash (the main subject of this thread). Your crash happens 13 seconds before the Security Center event is logged. Maybe this event is triggered by DCS crashing, and not the other way around. However, I've just crashed DCS on purpose (thanks to an old Viggen bug ) and I didn't see any "Security Center" event logged near the crash event. Your crashlog (not second mission loading related): 2021-05-06 00:38:30.836 INFO COCKPITBASE: lua state still active MACROS, 55 (status undefined) 2021-05-06 00:38:30.836 INFO COCKPITBASE: lua state still active TGP_INTERFACE, 62 (status undefined) 2021-05-06 00:38:30.848 INFO WORLDGENERAL: load Scripts/World/birds.lua 2021-05-06 00:38:30.848 INFO DCS: dbox not found , skip 2021-05-06 00:38:30.860 INFO EDCORE: try to write dump information 2021-05-06 00:38:30.860 INFO EDCORE: # -------------- 20210506-003831 -------------- 2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO EDCORE: DCS/2.7.0.5659 (x86_64; Windows NT 10.0.19042) 2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO EDCORE: C:\RS\DCS World\bin\ImGui.dll 2021-05-06 00:38:30.861 INFO EDCORE: # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 854E2B26 00:00000000 2021-05-06 00:38:30.863 INFO EDCORE: SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: '.;C:\RS\DCS World;C:\RS\DCS World\bin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\system32;SRV*C:\websymbols*https://msdl.microsoft.com/download/symbols;', symOptions: 528, UserName: 'Gryzor' 2021-05-06 00:38:30.863 INFO EDCORE: OS-Version: 10.0.19042 () 0x300-0x1 2021-05-06 00:38:31.100 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000052B26 (ImGui): ImGui_ImplDX11_RenderDrawData + 0xA46 2021-05-06 00:38:31.100 INFO EDCORE: 0x000000000005F2AF (GraphicsCore): Graphics::fireRendererCallbacks + 0x18F 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000000328B5 (GraphicsVista): Graphics::Renderer::EndFrame + 0x25 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000171C7B (Visualizer): smSceneManager::CreateSceneManager + 0x9BDB 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x000000000017276E (Visualizer): smSceneManager::CreateSceneManager + 0xA6CE 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000804120 (DCS): SW + 0x513770 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000007FFA94 (DCS): SW + 0x50F0E4 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000801B2E (DCS): SW + 0x51117E 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000007E9349 (DCS): SW + 0x4F8999 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x000000000011786A (edCore): Common::FSM::sendOutputSymbol_ + 0x4A 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000116F02 (edCore): Common::FSM::enterToState_ + 0xC2 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000001176E9 (edCore): Common::FSM::onSymbol_ + 0x1A9 2021-05-06 00:38:31.101 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000007FF491 (DCS): SW + 0x50EAE1 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000007D0234 (DCS): SW + 0x4DF884 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x00000000007D060D (DCS): SW + 0x4DFC5D 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000001C38FBD (DCS): AmdPowerXpressRequestHighPerformance + 0xE49FB9 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000A071BE (DCS): SW + 0x71680E 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000017034 (KERNEL32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x14 2021-05-06 00:38:31.102 INFO EDCORE: 0x0000000000052651 (ntdll): RtlUserThreadStart + 0x21 2021-05-06 00:38:31.311 INFO EDCORE: Minidump created. For those experiencing the second mission loading crash : it'd be very interesting to know if you can all see this "Security Event" event logged just seconds before the DCS crash is logged... To do this, open Windows Event Viewer, then go to "Windows Logs" -> "Applications". If you find something interesting, please attach a screenshot. Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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