Cougar throttle OFF/IDLE detent strategy for F-16C

[PicklePicklePickle]

Hello,

 

So I just purchased a used TM Cougar to complement my FSSB-R3 stick for the F-16C module (i'm just using the throttle on the Cougar). I have gotten all the switches and knobs working, and the last question I have is regrading the OFF/IDLE detent on the low end.

 

On the high end, I am able to lineup the physical afterburner detent with the location in DCS so it works well. However, on the low end the Cougar does not seem to have a switch to signal 'OFF' to power off the engines as with the TM warthog.

 

How does everyone set this up? Do you live with the non-functional region below the OFF/IDLE detent? Or do you remove the mechanical detent and use the rest of the lower range for MIL throttle?

 

ideally, I would like for the engines to shut off when you go below the low detent(i believe this is the accurate behavior), but i can't see a way to make that happen...

 

Thanks in advance

Edited March 31, 2021 by PicklePicklePickle

[MAXsenna]

You can't. If you open it up, you'll see there's no buttons inside it. I'm gonna mod mine though, maybe. But gotta get the idle detent a little stronger/harder first.
Also, I really recommend rel4s' mods for it.
Cheers!


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[questerymj]

Hello MAXsenna, could you tell me what is rel4s' mods? Thanks!

[MAXsenna]

Hello MAXsenna, could you tell me what is rel4s' mods? Thanks!

I'll answer better and give you the link when I get home.

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[MAXsenna]

Hello MAXsenna, could you tell me what is rel4s' mods? Thanks!

Hey! Try this thread. But it seems that rel4y has been offline for a while.

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink/topic?url=https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/188571-tm-cougar-ch-magnetoresistive-hall-sensor-kits/&share_tid=188571&share_fid=74365&share_type=t&link_source=app

Anyway. The parts I got made the throttle standalone and USB with the pot changed to a magnet sensor.
Also he is working on magnetic sensors for the ANT and RNG rotaries.
The switch was very easy and well worth the cost and effort.
Cheers!

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[Dudikoff]

On 4/1/2021 at 1:20 AM, PicklePicklePickle said:

On the high end, I am able to lineup the physical afterburner detent with the location in DCS so it works well. However, on the low end the Cougar does not seem to have a switch to signal 'OFF' to power off the engines as with the TM warthog.

 

How does everyone set this up? Do you live with the non-functional region below the OFF/IDLE detent? Or do you remove the mechanical detent and use the rest of the lower range for MIL throttle?

 

ideally, I would like for the engines to shut off when you go below the low detent(i believe this is the accurate behavior), but i can't see a way to make that happen...

 

 

You can do that with Target Script Editor.

 

For example, I had something like this programmed on my FC3 Su-27 profile which used the Cougar throttle:

 

    SetCustomCurve(&HCougar, THROTTLE, LIST(0,0, 8,0, 90,75, 95,75, 100,100));
    KeyAxis(&HCougar, THROTTLE, 0, AXMAP2(LIST(0,1,100), EXEC("bothEnginesStop();"), EXEC("bothEnginesStart();")));

 

The first line sets the custom curve for idle and afterburner detents and the second one splits the axis in two parts, one between 0 and 1 and 1 and 100. When the throttle moves into the first part, the engines are shut off, when it moves beyond that, they are started.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Dudikoff

[Vekkinho]

What Dudikoff said above works also with older TM Cougar software called Foxy that I highly recommend (and use for 17 years so far).

 

Are U aware that You can physically adjust the position of both IDLE and AB detents if you open up a Cougar TQS? 

 

Say your IDLE detent is positioned at 4% of throttle travel. Foxy allows programing a curve so that all <4% generates a RSHF+End macro that kills your engine. So 5% can generate an egine start and 6% thru 100% behave like a slider with adjustable curve to allow more curve / precision in that close to FulMil sweetspot your throttle spends most of it's time at.