CBenson89 Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 It would be cool to get an AIM54C-Mk60 if that was ever a thing! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisedByWolves Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Bonus if it had pop out glove vanes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergburger Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 4 hours ago, CBenson89 said: It would be cool to get an AIM54C-Mk60 if that was ever a thing! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mk60 motor was never made smokeless.....does not exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Zergburger said: Mk60 motor was never made smokeless.....does not exist. Given that smokeless propellants are less energetic than their cancer spewing brethren, I wouldn't be surprised if the 47C does use the mk60 motor just with a smokeless/lower energy propellant. Edited March 29, 2021 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skysurfer Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Zergburger said: Mk60 motor was never made smokeless.....does not exist. The C isn't smokeless either, only reduced smoke. At higher alts. all missiles will contrail as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctrach Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Harlikwin said: Given that smokeless propellants are less energetic than their cancer spewing brethren, I wouldn't be surprised if the 47C does use the mk60 motor just with a smokeless/lower energy propellant. I think the AIM-54C Mk47 mod 1 would like a word about the fact that it has the highest specific impulse of the three Edited March 29, 2021 by Noctrach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Noctrach said: I think the AIM-54C Mk47 mod 1 would like a word about the fact that it has the highest specific impulse of the three Hm that's certainly interesting. HTPB and CTPB are more "binders/fuel" without mention of the oxidier, And flexadyne and CTPB seem to be the same thing, unless there is a different oxider used for whatever they are calling CTPB (flexadyne is CTPB+amonium perchlorate) or maybe there differences in the composition/grain size etc. And from what I recall reading CTPB based propellants were more energetic, and HTPB largely won out for being smokless and having better storage properties. I think these days stuff like CL-20 is the gold standard and is the best of all worlds, aside from cost. Edited March 29, 2021 by Harlikwin New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanceCriminal86 Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Were the issues with the dud Phoenixes in Gulf War and all the no-fly zone periods on the propellant, or were they from electronics? Heatblur Rivet Counting Squad™ VF-11 and VF-31 1988 [WIP] VF-201 & VF-202 [WIP] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harlikwin Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 28 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said: Were the issues with the dud Phoenixes in Gulf War and all the no-fly zone periods on the propellant, or were they from electronics? Ground crews F-ed up IIRC for at least 1 or 2 of them. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
near_blind Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 30 minutes ago, LanceCriminal86 said: Were the issues with the dud Phoenixes in Gulf War and all the no-fly zone periods on the propellant, or were they from electronics? Two failed off the rail because safety pins had not been removed from the missiles before takeoff. The third was kinematically defeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBenson89 Posted March 30, 2021 Author Share Posted March 30, 2021 Oh sure blame the enlisted folks. You people are all the same. (Sarcasm)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajarov Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 AIM-54C ECCM/SealedSent from my TID using Tapatalk :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreaKKer Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Sajarov said: AIM-54C ECCM/Sealed Sent from my TID using Tapatalk Also, AIM-54C+ Sent from my TID using UHF1 BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sajarov Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 Also, AIM-54C+ Sent from my TID using UHF1Some sources said that ECCM/sealed and C+ are the same missile.That's a bit confusing.Sent from my Moto G (5S) using Tapatalk :megalol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grater Tovakia Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) There was an AIM-54B but aside from that one production document we haven't heard much about that. And yes the C+/ECCM sealed. I know that ECCM sealed was in service relatively early around the 87-88 time frame, while C+ was in 86 along with the regular C. Edited March 31, 2021 by Grater Tovakia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreaKKer Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 4 hours ago, Sajarov said: Some sources said that ECCM/sealed and C+ are the same missile. That's a bit confusing. Sent from my Moto G (5S) using Tapatalk Nope. C+ came before the sealed BreaKKer CAG and Commanding Officer of: Carrier Air Wing Five // VF-154 Black Knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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