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17 minutes ago, hreich said:

Sorry-what that means ATFLIR?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/ASQ-228_ATFLIR

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1 hour ago, Bunny Clark said:

That would be a teaser for the new ATFLIR pod, which it sounds like we have a chance of getting with 2.7. This will be the proper pod for the Hornet, the one the USN and USMC actually use normally. 

 

 What we should have is AN/AAS-38 Nite Hawk as it was the normal pod at 2005, and has been transitioned out only at 2008 being replaced by the ATFLIR. AFAIK the ATFLIR was delivered to Navy in 2004, but only in limited numbers and to front line units only for testing.

 

So normally used is in the future and not 2005.

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First deliveries of the ATFLIR were in 2002, full-rate production in Feb of 2005, deliveries complete in 2008. It is absolutely fitting to be modeled for our Hornet.

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3 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

First deliveries of the ATFLIR were in 2002, full-rate production in Feb of 2005, deliveries complete in 2008. It is absolutely fitting to be modeled for our Hornet.

Remember that ATFLIR was first sent to the rhino squadrons, as they couldn't carry Nitehawk like hornet could.

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1 hour ago, Swiftwin9s said:

Remember that ATFLIR was first sent to the rhino squadrons, as they couldn't carry Nitehawk like hornet could.

While true, I think it's feasible to say ours was a lucky legacy if 2005 is modeled, and a regular one in 2007 😉 (Deliveries for C-F models was complete by 2k8)


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1 hour ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

While true, I think it's feasible to say ours was a lucky legacy if 2005 is modeled, and a regular one in 2007 😉 (Deliveries for C-F models was complete by 2k8)

 

 

We just need to understand that ED wanted give Hornet something special even if outside of it modeled year. Same thing with AGM-62 Wall-Eye II as they just needed to make the datalink pod anyways.

 

Would just be more fitting to have the Nitehawk as primary sensor pod instead ATFLIR.

 

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I think both fall nicely into the simulated timeframe, and if they feel like they can add the Nite Hawk at a later date, by all means I won't object.

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7 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

I think both fall nicely into the simulated timeframe, and if they feel like they can add the Nite Hawk at a later date, by all means I won't object.

If they wanted to, they could have added it instead of the Spanish LITENING. I don't think they will add another targeting pod to the Hornet, even if it is the nitehawk (the nitehawk was the original pod they intended to include).

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6 hours ago, Skysurfer said:

We dont have a strict 2005 Hornet anyway. There's features in the DCS thing from like 2013 and later.

 

Such as?

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9 minutes ago, Swiftwin9s said:

Some of our JHMCS features are very new iirc.

 

And of course we have a lot of stuff that is way too old, eg walleye and SLAM

 

 

Yea that's true, but it gives versatility and the hornet can use it, they probably didn't use SLAM or Walleye in that year but it doesn't mean they couldn't

 

What about 8 JSOW, loading 8 of those up look very suspicious, was that ever used?

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14 minutes ago, Furiz said:

 

Yea that's true, but it gives versatility and the hornet can use it, they probably didn't use SLAM or Walleye in that year but it doesn't mean they couldn't

 

What about 8 JSOW, loading 8 of those up look very suspicious, was that ever used?

 

IIRC it is physically feasible and the wiring is there, but aerodynamically dangerous and thus not allowed. Plus it's pretty nonsensical.

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How would does the Nitehawk and the ATFLIR pod compare to the Litening we currently have in terms of capability?

(Apart from the NFLIR of the ATFLIR, I know what that does)

 

Do they have largely different resolutions, zoom levels, does the Nitwhawk also can put FLIR image on the HUD, etc.?

I think it's an interessting topic.

 

I also like that Walleye is included, as we can recreate older scenarios with the Hornet more easily in that way.

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4 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

How would does the Nitehawk and the ATFLIR pod compare to the Litening we currently have in terms of capability?

(Apart from the NFLIR of the ATFLIR, I know what that does)

 

Do they have largely different resolutions, zoom levels, does the Nitwhawk also can put FLIR image on the HUD, etc.?

I think it's an interessting topic.

 

I also like that Walleye is included, as we can recreate older scenarios with the Hornet more easily in that way.

 

ATFLIR is the most capable one with better resolution, 3 separate FoV etc. - IRL the differences are pretty big, while ingame all our pods perform too good to begin with.

Throwing the FLIR image on the HUD was through use of the NAVFLIR component on the ATFLIR mounting adapter, but afaik that was never used operationally, has been removed in fleet squadrons and will probably not me modeled ingame for us either.

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Ok, interessting. How about the Nitehawk pod?

About the ATFLIRs NFLIR on the HUD, supposedly we get it... I hope at least, but thats what other people also heard.

See my question and the answers below:

It will still take some time until they've reworked the FLIR system in DCS completely.

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6 minutes ago, Bananabrai said:

Ok, interessting. How about the Nitehawk pod?

About the ATFLIRs NFLIR on the HUD, supposedly we get it... I hope at least, but thats what other people also heard.

See my question and the answers below:

 

In your thread specifically you find the info from Bignewy that we probably WONT get the NAVFLIR component. Which is what I heard as well at several points from the team but don't know off the top of my head where I will find that again.

 

 

The Nite Hawk didn't have a NAVFLIR component, iirc.


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5 hours ago, Shimmergloom667 said:

The Nite Hawk didn't have a NAVFLIR component, iirc.

Correct; at the time, Hornets needed the AN/AAR-50 mounted on station 6 for NAVFLIR capability.

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5 hours ago, Tholozor said:

Correct; at the time, Hornets needed the AN/AAR-50 mounted on station 6 for NAVFLIR capability.

Yup, that´s how it worked. Personally, I´d rather carry an AMRAAM on that station. PLUS: we´ve got NVGs! So why would anyone still want NAVFLIR? Modern NVG´s are way better.

 

10 hours ago, Bananabrai said:

How would does the Nitehawk and the ATFLIR pod compare to the Litening we currently have in terms of capability?

(Apart from the NFLIR of the ATFLIR, I know what that does)

 

Do they have largely different resolutions, zoom levels, does the Nitwhawk also can put FLIR image on the HUD, etc.?

I think it's an interessting topic.

 

I also like that Walleye is included, as we can recreate older scenarios with the Hornet more easily in that way.

You would actually be surprised how bad the NITEHAWK pod really was. Compared to other pods like LANTIRN that were in use back in the day the generated picture resolution was more or less atrocious. There are certain reports from Afghanistan and Iraq which are publicly available that give you a little insight on operating the NITEHAWK pod in that environment. You can also find some cockpit display footage of the NITEHAWK pod in operation. Just google it. And believe me you don´t want it unless you really want something dead accurate for a very specific time period.


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