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  1. 1. Community poll for HARM and Maverick on stations 4 and 6

    • YES - stations 4 and 6 should have HARM and Maverick
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    • NO - stations 4 and 6 should not have HARM and Maverick
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We are reviewing the data again on the use of Viper stations 4 and 6 for HARM and Mavericks. We are considering many factors and data sources like reference documents and SMEs.  However, one factor we also want to consider is you. Although hardly the only factor, we do want to hear your feedback. 

 

Please make a choice YES or NO 

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Don't think community votes on this can be of any relevance, cause there can be more ppl with one or the other opinion not visiting forums and not voting on the subject simply driven away by some individuals who just cant stop shouting their own opinions on what they think should be.

 

I think its the best if you stick to the info you can obtain.

 

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In USAF/ANG F-16s, the wiring that provides HARM and Maverick video is not installed in stations 4 and 6. This means the weapons can be installed and ferried but they are not functional (which is why flight manuals indicate it can be loaded). Not a matter of opinion, a matter of facts.

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I have to agree with Furiz. While it's admirable that ED wants to consider the comunity's opinion on this it seems like a black or white issue where the weapons either can or can not be used from those pylons. 

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1 minute ago, Santi871 said:

In USAF/ANG F-16s, the wiring that provides HARM and Maverick video is not installed in stations 4 and 6. This means the weapons can be installed and ferried but they are not functional (which is why flight manuals indicate it can be loaded). Not a matter of opinion, a matter of facts.

And facts should always win the day.

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2 minutes ago, Santi871 said:

In USAF/ANG F-16s, the wiring that provides HARM and Maverick video is not installed in stations 4 and 6. This means the weapons can be installed and ferried but they are not functional (which is why flight manuals indicate it can be loaded). Not a matter of opinion, a matter of facts.

 

Yea facts, I'm all in on that, if you have some send to ED, let them decide.

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I Wonder If Harms can be used in POS Mode on Station 4 and 6 as this Mode does Not need the Harm to send a Sensor picture Signal to the Plane.

 

And where is the Sense to ferry Harms? You seem to Put a Lot effort and time to clear that topic. Wouldnt it be better to add a "Special wiring" Option that can be forced by MP servers? I mean this discussion seems to Break down to the fact that the wiring is preventing the use of mavs and Harms on 4 and 6. Lets assume the US airforce or Partner countries did Order some Planes with Special wirings for SEAD or Strike purposes....the Special Option might reflect that.

 

 


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I appreciate getting community feedback,

 

However you lads should just stick with the facts and model things accurately. No HARMs or Mavericks for those stations.

 

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2 minutes ago, Matt Mitchell said:

I appreciate getting community feedback,

 

However you lads should just stick with the facts and model things accurately. No HARMs or Mavericks for those stations.

 

 

Exact example of the people that are just loud with no facts ;D

 

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Voted no obviously, I don't see why this is up for a poll btw. as various SME's have already stated (and I am very confident so have ED's SME's). Weapons like the HARM and Maverick can not be carried on STA 4/6 as they lack the wiring. I believe the same goes for JDAM's but don't quote me on that.

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This shouldn't be a vote...if it's not a realistic real world US loadout on the Viper it doesn't belong...

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Just now, FoxOne007 said:

Voted no obviously, I don't see why this is up for a poll btw. as various SME's have already stated (and I am very confident so have ED's SME's). Weapons like the HARM and Maverick can not be carried on STA 4/6 as they lack the wiring. I believe the same goes for JDAM's but don't quote me on that.

Correct, as far as I am aware the USAF F-16s don't have the pylons wired to support smart weapons like JSOW, JDAM (and WCMD?).

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As mentioned we are considering many factors and data sources like reference documents and SMEs.

 

This is a simple yes or no poll to get your feedback, its not the deciding factor. 

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I believe Scrape, so please no HARMs on 4/6. 

 

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Hard no on this one.  Many 12+ hour shifts doing wing changes on these to know that 4/6 aren't wired for employment of those munitions.  Also, JDAM's/WCMD's can be employed from 3/7.  Source: I'm a loader, and have loaded plenty of them.


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So while I personally voted no I think there is a way to do this that walks the line rather well,

 

 

Make a setting in mission editor which determines whether HARMs/Mavs can go on 4/6.

 

This setting would also allow a bit more room in the future for other such problems. Call it Hypothetical mode or something akin to that. Just my opinion though. 

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If the F-16 can carry HARMs and MAVs on stations 4 and 6 in real life, then it should be able to do it in DCS too. Otherwise it's not a realistic simulation. I've never used it myself since I fly realistic missions where fuel is more of a concern, but I still want it since it's an option in real life.

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1 hour ago, WHOGX5 said:

If the F-16 can carry HARMs and MAVs on stations 4 and 6 in real life, then it should be able to do it in DCS too. Otherwise it's not a realistic simulation. I've never used it myself since I fly realistic missions where fuel is more of a concern, but I still want it since it's an option in real life.

 

The point is carry, not shoot. If you want to shoot that many munitions just enable unlimited ammo in your missions and go at it. You can also mod the .lua if you really wanted to carry a bunch of munitions on said pylons. 

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I'm all in for operational loadouts and equipment only where there is clear evidence of being correct and common on the F-16 version we got.

 

If we get in everything that is theoretically possible or was tested or considered once or similar: where is the line? How would we (you, ED) justify HARM or MAV on 4/6 but no AGM-84 at the same time? It was tested and considered by the USAF and the CCIP upgraded F-16 Block 50 is in theory capable of using it afaik (Turkey got it at least on theirs' afaik). There's lots of other equipment that would theoretically be possible "if would should could"...

 

Stick with operational options only since everything else is the dark path to frankensteining. How to justify X but deny Y?

 

If folks want whatever non-operational equipment or loadout options, they can still do a mod for it and be happy.

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