WinterH Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) Yeah, not being official doesn't mean much at this point, either positively or negatively. There are examples like Gazelle and MiG-19 which started out as user mods and eventually released as modules. There are also mods like A-4E and MB-339 which are challenging paid module level, and the Macchi is becoming one as well. But yes, there are also many that have simply failed. Looking at the website don't know if they have what it takes to make it a reality, but I'd welcome it happily if they can. The more the merrier. Especially those that want to make Red or at least Euro birds, and more so the oldie birds. I'd love to see them succeed. Edited April 8, 2021 by WinterH 5 Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudel_chw Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, WinterH said: ... Especially those that want to make Red or at least Euro birds ... +1 I'm so tired of american iron. 6 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600X - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said: A Mod, no a official 3rd party module. Its not an official third party yet but their stated goal is to sell it as a full module and not just release it as a mod. I really hope they are able to, its such a historically important aircraft. I'll definitely buy it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 It seems that the mod part will be for alpha testing and demonstration only. They're going to make it a full module. I do like the idea, but I'd prefer to have some more assets around the era. Otherwise, MiG-19 is the earliest I'm going to go, and even that one I bought only due to its very high quality campaign. MiG-17 gave the Phantoms in 'Nam a hard time, but with no Phantom on the horizon, all it'd have to fight is that horrible, ancient AI model. All I can hope for is that the AI FM doesn't cheat as much as the -15 does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upyr1 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said: A Mod, no a official 3rd party module. Its Better than not having one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 32 minutes ago, Jester986 said: Its not an official third party yet but their stated goal is to sell it as a full module and not just release it as a mod. I really hope they are able to, its such a historically important aircraft. I'll definitely buy it. The interest has about have a "offical" 3rd party more. Has better to have acess to SDK, build official modules, more assets and in a future build maps with the TDK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonFox Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: It seems that the mod part will be for alpha testing and demonstration only. They're going to make it a full module. I do like the idea, but I'd prefer to have some more assets around the era. Otherwise, MiG-19 is the earliest I'm going to go, and even that one I bought only due to its very high quality campaign. MiG-17 gave the Phantoms in 'Nam a hard time, but with no Phantom on the horizon, all it'd have to fight is that horrible, ancient AI model. All I can hope for is that the AI FM doesn't cheat as much as the -15 does. As I understand, the F-4 that's in the pipeline is a post-Vietnam era F-4E which had some additional capabilities and improvements over the F-4B, C and D variants that would have faced off against the 17. 2 F/A-18C; A-10C; F-14B; Mirage 2000C; A-4E; F-16C; Flaming Cliffs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 ED recently appear to have scrubbed that one. Still, I would expect MiG-17 to do just fine against it. It was very much still around in the 80s, especially (but not only) in 3rd world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 The model show on the webside, coming from pics on Turbosquid.... https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/mig-17f-fighter-3d-model/1053933 The problem has...... A team need probe to have capability to build and make quality work to reach 3rd party status, not purchase a 3D model and claim someone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Silver_Dragon said: The model show on the webside, coming from pics on Turbosquid.... https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/mig-17f-fighter-3d-model/1053933 The problem has...... A team need probe to have capability to build and make quality work to reach 3rd party status, not purchase a 3D model and claim someone. Ok, so maybe it doesn't work out. But how about some encouragement instead of negativity? DCS needs more third parties. This can only be a good thing if it works and it doesn't matter if it fails. Edited April 8, 2021 by Jester986 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 That is not negativity, has "fair play". A team need know all DCS developing process, include model, texture, animations and build all elements on your assets, and show proveed capabilities to get a concise project to ED to reach 3rd Party status. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoYo Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) Fingers crossed for this project. I hope it won't be dead a few months after the idea like many "mods" idea. For me it could be payware for sure with EFM and good 3D modelling of shape and systems. Edited April 9, 2021 by YoYo 3 Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 4090 24Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 21 hours ago, Silver_Dragon said: The problem has...... A team need probe to have capability to build and make quality work to reach 3rd party status, not purchase a 3D model and claim someone. How do you know they're not the ones selling the model on Turbosquid? If I wanted to start my own company and had no idea where to find a modeler, the first thing I'd do would be to find someone who makes pretty plane models like that and see if they're available. And even if they just bought the model, that's fine, too, as long as it's usable and makes the cut quality wise (the artist could be even commissioned to made damage textures and such). That said, in my experience, trying that just ends in remodeling the thing from scratch anyway, after it turns out that the model designed to look good in a 3D program has issues that make it not work too well in a sim. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said: How do you know they're not the ones selling the model on Turbosquid? If I wanted to start my own company and had no idea where to find a modeler, the first thing I'd do would be to find someone who makes pretty plane models like that and see if they're available. And even if they just bought the model, that's fine, too, as long as it's usable and makes the cut quality wise (the artist could be even commissioned to made damage textures and such). That said, in my experience, trying that just ends in remodeling the thing from scratch anyway, after it turns out that the model designed to look good in a 3D program has issues that make it not work too well in a sim. By Chizh on russian forum..... Quote 20 thousand polygons are not enough by today's standards. This was done 20 years ago. Actual "poligon count" on DCS modules and AI.... (only external models, no cockpits). Quote A-10A: 336000 A-10C: 337000 A-10C II: 385000 AJS-37: 650000 AV-8B N / A: 523000 CE2: 800000 C-101CC: 748000 F-5E-3: 196000 F-14B: 1400000 F-15C: 306000 F-16CM: 732000 F/A-18C: 517000 F-86: 230000 L-39ZA: 317000 M2000C: 393000 Mig-15Bis: 259000 Mig-19P: 618000 Mig-21bis: 398000 Mig-29A: 600000 Mil Mi-8: 278000 Sa-342M: 600000 Su-25A: 176000 Su-25T: 77000 Su-27: 293000 Su-33: 300000 UH-1H: 253000 Yak-52: 390000 WW2: Bf-109K-4: 94000 Fw-190A-8: 468000 Fw-190D-9: 126000 I-16: 240000 P-47D-30: 370000 P-51D-30: 151000 Spitfire Mk.IX: 297000 Supercarrier: CVN-71: 1750000 Kutnesov: 975000 AI: A-20G: 300000 BTR-82a: 400000 Scud B: 170000 Su-24: 275000 Su-34: 289000 T-72B3: 334000 The team need "raise" the detail if like reach the "bar" on actual modules. In the TS page, the 3D model has not recent, was build with 3DS Max 2012 and Mental Ray, and posted on Jul 12, 2016 (near 6 years ago). About "TurboSquid 3D" models, some long time ago (5-6 years) I was on a team with like reach the 3rd party statuts, that purchase first a TS 3D model, and need redone them by some problems with mesh, animations and texture when intent convert them to work on DCS World EDM plugin. Has better build them from scratch. Edited April 9, 2021 by Silver_Dragon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXsenna Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Well, it seems like a good start. I wish the team the best of luck! Cheers! Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon1-1 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Look at it that way: at least they have something to test the SFM with. Although, I wouldn't put that sort of thing in advertising, but they might not know yet that high-poly WIP pics are actually more enticing to this community than pretty, but not actually usable models. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Grim Reapers interview. IMaking the papelwork to convert on a official DCS module 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Evoman Posted May 29, 2021 Share Posted May 29, 2021 The history channel recently uploaded an official episode of Dog fights featuring the Mig-17 and F-8 Crusader in Vietnam. It's a must watch if you have not seen it before. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evoman Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 (edited) I had recently came across a new 3rd party called Red star simulations that I was unaware of that is currently developing the Mig-17. They plan to have the MiG-17AS and MiG-17F be official (EFM/ASM) DCS modules sold as one package. https://redstarsimulations.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pg/Red-Star-Simulations-106049571612972/posts/ Edited May 31, 2021 by Evoman update 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kseremak Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 They are making progress 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xilon_x Posted July 17, 2021 Author Share Posted July 17, 2021 uaaooo good video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Exulte Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 18 hours ago, kseremak said: They are making progress I noticed their AI is pretty good (as far as not being wonky, and they mentioned doing some stuff in the comments specifically to keep it from behaving retarded). I really wish ED would devote some real time to the AI, like REAL time, as it is one of the prime shortcomings in this software... or AT LEAST fix the UFO fms on stuff like the MiG-15 and F-5. It only takes tweaking a few lines in the lua to tone them down and they've been that way for *years*. 1 Де вороги, знайдуться козаки їх перемогти. 5800x3d * 3090 * 64gb * Reverb G2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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