Cmptohocah Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 It seems that there is either some sort of bug in MP or in my TacView recording (the recording comes from the server), but it seems that AIM-7 is tracking with its own radar emitter. Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) It's highly probable the MiG-29A pilot had not cut off his jammer. All variants of the AIM-7 missile present in the game are Home on Jam capable. See here: Edited January 29, 2021 by Flappie Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Im afraid Cmptohocah is correct funny enough its been like this for a while i have the longest aim-7mh kill in dcs as it stands and once radar lock is broken it guides for a VERY long time no HOJ shots 2 kills in one pass quite funny. Either that or its memory mode seeker once lock is broken is over 10 seconds guidance, Which is complete DCS MEME and complete BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, Flappie said: It's highly probable the MiG-29A pilot had not cut off his jammer. All variants of the AIM-7 missile present in the game are Home on Jam capable. See here: Highly improbable I would say, since MiG-29A has no jammer. 51 minutes ago, Coxy_99 said: Im afraid Cmptohocah is correct funny enough its been like this for a while i have the longest aim-7mh kill in dcs as it stands and once radar lock is broken it guides for a VERY long time no HOJ shots 2 kills in one pass quite funny. Either that or its memory mode seeker once lock is broken is over 10 seconds guidance, Which is complete DCS MEME and complete BS. This was no memory turn, but a full on ARH maneuver. Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Cmptohocah said: Highly improbable I would say, since MiG-29A has no jammer. I didn't know about this. I stand corrected. Do you have the track of the issue? Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted January 29, 2021 Author Share Posted January 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, Flappie said: Do you have the track of the issue? Don't know why I can't send a direct link, but you can download it from here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1G-DxYBsWnxSxhdEwCPMuJJJtPLPK6WJY Search for a track that contains `211928` in it's name. Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) Interesting, that's the first such report I see, were HOJ can be ruled out. So yeah, this seems like there is indeed something really off about the AIM-7 guidance. Edited January 29, 2021 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flappie Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 @CmptohocahThese are Tacview ACMIs, which are useful to show this "really happened". I was asking for a DCS track (.trk), which allows one to try an reproduce an issue. Just now, QuiGon said: Interesting, that's the first such report I see, were HOJ can be ruled out. So yeah, this seems like there is indeed something really off about the AIM-7 guidance. Same here. Maybe it's possble to reproduce this bug in SP. I'll give it a go. 1 Don't accept indie game testing requests from friends in Discord. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 There's an existing bug where flood mode causes the AIM-7 to behave like a ARH missile. Already reported. 6 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Krippz said: There's an existing bug where flood mode causes the AIM-7 to behave like a ARH missile. Already reported. Might want to check STT pulse on F-14 then, We didnt have flood mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) On 1/29/2021 at 2:35 PM, Coxy_99 said: Might want to check STT pulse on F-14 then, We didnt have flood mode. Maybe this is better for a different thread but the F-14 has a boresight mode that allows the Sparrow to be fired in CW mode that uses the flood antenna on the AWG-9. If you have a concern make a thread and post a track. Edited February 1, 2021 by Krippz [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Krippz said: Maybe this is better for a different thread but the F-14 has a boresight mode that allows the Phoenix to be fired in CW mode that uses the flood antenna on the AWG-9. If you have a concern make a thread and post a track. I guess you meant Sparrow instead of Phoenix? Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Not talking aim-54 but aim-7mh not sure if the MH and just aim-7 run off the same code but i launched 2x fox-1 aim-7mh both acted as if they were active, Not sure if it matters on another thread aim-7 is well aim-7 The lock was completely broken and hit 2 targets with fox1 in one pass im not even sure how that is possible? Like i said before unless when the lock is broken it has a memory of 10 seconds plus once the lock is broken, Bore sight was not used just locked with radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krippz Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 6:59 AM, QuiGon said: I guess you meant Sparrow instead of Phoenix? Yep. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtPappy Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) I've had something like this happen to me once where I lost lock a target (M2k) in my F-15 for the rest of the fight and he got shot down. We messaged each other in the chat and he thought I killed him but then I checked the tacview and my AIM-7MH hit from something like ~15 nm near sea level even though I turned away at one point while terrain masking. Need to find the tacview later if I still have it. I've only observed it once unfortunately, cannot reproduce so far. Edited February 2, 2021 by SgtPappy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 7:07 AM, Coxy_99 said: Not talking aim-54 but aim-7mh not sure if the MH and just aim-7 run off the same code but i launched 2x fox-1 aim-7mh both acted as if they were active, Not sure if it matters on another thread aim-7 is well aim-7 The lock was completely broken and hit 2 targets with fox1 in one pass im not even sure how that is possible? Like i said before unless when the lock is broken it has a memory of 10 seconds plus once the lock is broken, Bore sight was not used just locked with radar. The real question is, can you reproduce this? If it's a thing that happens once in a blue moon it's going to be difficult. Raging about it doesn't help. Helping the devs nail it down helps. Memory mode is meaningless semantically if lock is broken - it's basically an instruction that says 'try to detect it again according to the track history' on whatever level this can be implemented, it's not guidance. No illumination = no track after all for a SARH missile, but the devs need help nailing this bug down. Edited February 2, 2021 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, GGTharos said: The real question is, can you reproduce this? If it's a thing that happens once in a blue moon it's going to be difficult. Raging about it doesn't help. Helping the devs nail it down helps. Memory mode is meaningless semantically if lock is broken - it's basically an instruction that says 'try to detect it again according to the track history' on whatever level this can be implemented, it's not guidance. No illumination = no track after all for a SARH missile, but the devs need help nailing this bug down. Yes it can it was watched in F-10 tracking the target in MP on a server (104th before the whole ECM update) No i dont have tracks or a tacview, I tend to delete tacviews and track files disables to save space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) Let me rephrase. If you want to help the devs, produce a short track where this happens - ie. where you can reproduce it. Edited February 2, 2021 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Nope no i wont, However i know full well its active got a great GIF 43KM double kill in a 3v1. And seen the same thing in the 104th server f10 map aim7mh tracking while RTB no bore sight used no HOJ im not bothrred ill keeping using them as little amraams what a meme of a sim lololol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_dalan Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Coxy_99 said: Nope no i wont That's not very helpful Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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