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Seaplane or amphibian.

Thats an interesting sim within a sim. A seaplane(floats) or amphibian hull aircraft. ED would have to get both aerodynamics and hydrodynamics right. For various sea states.

Not sure as what type would be simmed.

WWII- PBY Catalina, Vought OS2U Kingfisher, Zero Float, Arado 196 float

May not make sense commercially. To low of a demand.

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Although I'm sure it'll never happen, for the reasons you already stated, I'd definitely purchase a full fidelity Catalina!

 

 

Just imagine this plane in combination with the upcoming Marianas map  🤤

 

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(casually flying around and visiting random beachheads must be good for ones blood pressure)

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On 1/26/2021 at 7:15 AM, sirrah said:

Although I'm sure it'll never happen, for the reasons you already stated, I'd definitely purchase a full fidelity Catalina!

 

 

Just imagine this plane in combination with the upcoming Marianas map  🤤

 

web1_20200824_b1_Catalina14.jpg

(casually flying around and visiting random beachheads must be good for ones blood pressure)

Cat would be a combat sim. It was anti-ship and anti-sub platform, dropping bombs, depth charge bombs, and .50 BMG guns. Rescue ship, recon work. T/O and landing on water is nerve wrecking precision flying. Just ask a Canadian bush pilot, or Alaska one. You can flip the ship, collide with wave. Takes skill and timing to unstick on T/O, and carefull speed management on recovery. The runway is never the same. 

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Basically ED has created the sandbox now we need more developers providing WW2 content. 
 

There are good developers making MSFS content who could come over here. You can do a lot more with a combat aircraft in the DCS engine and more period maps are coming. 


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I would buy any float plane or flying boat immediately!! 😄 

 

Vought OS2U Kingfisher, 

Curtiss SC1,

Aichi E16A1, 

PBY Catalina,

yesss please!

 

Also since there is a EagleII biplane in game, I would love a biplane float plane from WW2, like the Curtiss SOC !

 

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As subsimmer, I would love to see some ASW and patrol aircraft in DCS. Maybe incoming of more maritime-focused maps like Marianas or South Atlantic would give some more room for such aircraft. However... to fully implement post-war planes, we also would need modeled sea enviroment: ducts with duct sound trap, thermal layer, convergence zone or (Cz) sound velocity profile (SVP), shadow zone (Sz) sound channel, ambient noise, biologic contacts and such - just basic oceanography for maritime enviroment in any era. And those parameters are changing constantly. Then... every underwater craft would need to have modeled sound profile, sound propagation pattern, anechoic tiles effect (if present). Not to mention MAD, or magnetic aerial detection systems for the planes, sonobuoys (active and passive) for both planes and helicopters. And whole new set of weapons. It is Sonalysts territory, and their sims aren't user-friendly stuff.

 

I am mentioning all that, because in  Cold War period main use of maritime aircraft was ASW (and most DCS stuff is Cold War really), and that would be a whole new game by itself, if we would like to see that aspect in accord with DCS's hight standard to realism and fidelity. Then again, most of those planes would need real multicrew (or brilliant AI), and player would have to accept many hours of flight to achieve... well, usually nothing. I don't think Cold War planes related to maritime duty will be a thing, maybe as AI asset.

 

As for WW2, there may be some chance of such craft as they were used in slightly different manner, but i wouldn't hold my breath for that. If something, then probably rather small, with one pilot.

 

Probably though, when comes to naval aviation, SH-2 Seasprite (or something similar) could be a thing, as it would share a lot of core gameplay with other rotors... Then again, sub detection. As much as I love the idea, I don't think it will happen, sadly. 


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Seaplanes in DCS would be a dream-come-true.

 

The upcoming Marianas map certainly presents a fantastic opportunity for a range of WW2 aircraft such as those listed above. Seaplane operations were a significant part of that theatre and would complement naval operations well. The ability to search-and-rescue is another interesting factor (e.g. rescuing downed F4U Corsair pilots). Additionally, the Catalina (and numerous others) would even function in the English Channel (Normandy Map, or even the Channel Map) hunting U-boats (and there is already one of those in the WW2 assets pack).

 

Given the recent progress made by the modding community ( e.g. the Latécoère 290 in https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/248213-the-dcs-float-plane-mod/ or the Felixstowe in https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/259748-ww-1-dcs-world-flying-circus-beta/), I don't think DCS seaplanes are quite as "out-of-reach" as we might imagine.

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Only thing I will say, is that DCS' water and buoyancy physics leave a bit to be desired. Currently, craft don't actually interact with the water properly - this isn't so noticeable on larger vessels, but on smaller vessels and certainly amphibious vehicles, it is especially noticeable.

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On 3/14/2021 at 3:56 AM, Northstar98 said:

Only thing I will say, is that DCS' water and buoyancy physics leave a bit to be desired. Currently, craft don't actually interact with the water properly - this isn't so noticeable on larger vessels, but on smaller vessels and certainly amphibious vehicles, it is especially noticeable.

 

Perhaps if they do get the physics right, other planes can do a proper ditching.

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16 hours ago, rayrayblues said:

Perhaps if they do get the physics right, other planes can do a proper ditching.

 

Yep, probably. 

 

Same for ditching in helicopters. It would also be useful for things like life rafts, to actually have them interact with the water properly. At the moment, if you drive an amphibious vehicle into the sea, you won't see it react to waves at all even they're present (which is probably incorrect itself) - it's as if it's driving on a solid plane.

 

With everything on the water, they just pitch and roll randomly (as far as I can tell) with a magnitude dependent on the wind speed, even if there are waves present at 0 wind (which, there kinda shouldn't be, or at least they should be a lot smaller - it looks even with 0 wind, the waves look to be sea state 3).

 


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I've heard that they are bringing back the SH-3W which is also amphibious.

It may be able to land on water to rescue downed pilots.

 

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10 hours ago, rayrayblues said:

I've heard that they are bringing back the SH-3W which is also amphibious.

It may be able to land on water to rescue downed pilots.

 

 

That would be neat. Ticks multiple other boxes at the same time... can be used on the supercarrier, blue transport helicopter and, of course, amphibious

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It doesn't help that the water in DCS is modeled extremely simplistically, and for some reason uses a ton of resources when being rendered. 

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On 1/31/2021 at 9:03 PM, qcheck said:

I would buy any float plane or flying boat immediately!! 😄 

 

Vought OS2U Kingfisher, 

Curtiss SC1,

Aichi E16A1, 

PBY Catalina,

yesss please!

 

Legendary ones, both with military services:

 

 

 

 

Both would come with various landing options:

 

- Wheels

- Skis

- Floats

 

Both would open excellent map sightseeing and exploration, civilian flying, military troop/cargo transportation, fancy landings to rivers and small lakes in maps, at winter time operate from the snowfields. 

And of course, at least An-2 to perform the Vertical Take-Off and Landing on carriers with good headwind. 

 

And we would see nice new competitions in the DCS World as well...

 

 

 

 

It would be cool to be able use the DCS World maps harbors in a new way, to be able land on the snow ural areas. Transport people and cargo across the places etc. 

 

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On 1/31/2021 at 9:03 PM, qcheck said:

I would buy any float plane or flying boat immediately!! 😄 

 

Vought OS2U Kingfisher, 

Curtiss SC1,

Aichi E16A1, 

PBY Catalina,

yesss please!

 

Legendary ones, both with military services:

 

 

 

 

Both would come with various landing options:

 

- Wheels

- Skis

- Floats

 

Both would open excellent map sightseeing and exploration, civilian flying, military troop/cargo transportation, fancy landings to rivers and small lakes in maps, at winter time operate from the snowfields. 

And of course, at least An-2 to perform the Vertical Take-Off and Landing on carriers with good headwind. 

 

And we would see nice new competitions in the DCS World as well...

 

 

 

 

It would be cool to be able use the DCS World maps harbors in a new way, to be able land on the snow ural areas. Transport people and cargo across the places etc. 

 

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