Cyclic/Collective controls?

[Dragon1-1]

On 1/26/2021 at 2:14 AM, Boudica said:

Yeah, my stuff is free. 

I have to say that looks impressive. I've already got a collective setup from the Simchair IV project, which is pretty great, but if you're planning to add cyclic sticks at some point, I'd be very much interested in replacing the B8 stick replica I've currently got mounted on my Simchair.

[Viper1970]

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[Rogue Trooper]

The collective Looks superb Viper1970.

Incredible shape and design.

[Viper1970]

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[Viper1970]

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[Viper1970]

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[Maxito]

On 2/16/2021 at 10:05 AM, Viper1970 said:

Made some small improvements in shape on the head of the upper stick of the collective and integrated the trigger positions. I think this will be the final version of the shape. Maybe some small adjustments for the attachment around the triggers themself are needed, but nothing more. There will be also a gap on the left and right side of the upper sticks trigger, like the original has, to be able to press it. After those small corrections I will start to erode them and seperate the sticks into screwable parts.

Nice work. I'm currently doing the same thing. I'm still working out what I will do about all the buttons. This thing has 40 inputs and the leo bodnar boards can only handle 36 so I'll probably have to use 2 boards.

[Viper1970]

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[Viper1970]

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[Meathawk]

Wow - lots of projects. Impressive. The Pokeys 57U board looks interesting, do you have any experience with it?

[Viper1970]

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[Meathawk]

Up till now I have used the BBI Boards by Leo Bodnar. I was very pleased with the BBI-32 but less with the -64 because the Test/Konfig-SW for the -64 wasn't as good.

How do you use rotary encoders with the 57U or do other configurations?
How do you test with the 57U?

 

BTW I made a VR-Design for the big Apache MFPs - if you are interested?

 

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[Viper1970]

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[Wrench]

Hello all,

I'm looking for reference for the cyclic and collective sticks for the '64.

I'm planning on starting a project to 3D print replicas and I could use your help. I'm looking for either good reference images with dimensions, or ideally, a scale 3D model.

I'm sure an enterprising researcher can find archival reference from a test report, production contract, etc.

Just be mindful of the forum's rules and ITAR.

Please post anything you think I might find helpful below.

Thanks!

Edited March 3, 2021 by Wrench

[Wychmaster]

Have you taken a look into this thread?

There are already some people working on it

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[Wrench]

There are certainly some interesting posts there, but from what I've seen nothing is made to dimensions. I'll have to see how some of those projects turn out. Thanks for the reply!

[Viper1970]

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[Meathawk]

@Viper1970 wow impressive! Thanks for the hints!

[Viper1970]

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[DaemonPhobos]

En 20/1/2021 a las 11:20, kengou dijo:

Found these combing through the army manual. They like to spread out the diagrams between systems so it's going to take time coming up with a cohesive overview of all functions.

 

 

 

En 21/1/2021 a las 23:38, vigilante87 dijo:

I can help you all out.  I'm sure you'll get a decent guide from casmo at some point.

 

Cyclic button Functions

(top left)Force trim/hold mode switch: this is your trim button. It also has altitude and attitude hold
(top middle)Weapon Action Switch(WAS): lets you select your freedom setting. i.e.- gun, missiles, rockets
(top right)Symbology select switch: Cruise, Transition, Hover and bob up modes. 
(top center): counter measures button
(left): Mic switch: both ICS and COMM
(trigger): freedom button
(bottom pinky button): no no switch. Pretty much deactivates your FMC

Collective, mission grip

 

(top) FCR scan size: Think of this as narrowing or widening your scan in normal A/A radars. Same concept 
(top left) FCR mode switch: switch between ground, air, terrain modes

(center) cursor controller: its your fancy thing to control the cursor on the MFDs. Has a z-axis for selecting what you have highlighted with your cursor.
(right) sight select: Select your primary sight. HMD or FCR for pilot
(center center) cursor select button: quickly moves cursor to next MFD 
(thumb button) FCR scan: activates scan with FCR
(other thumb button?) cued search: does a quick scan towards threatiest of threats. Its your "I have an SA-19 locking me from over there somewhere. Find it" button
(pinky button) missile advance: select next missile

Collective flight grip

 

(top) boresight/polarity: White hot/black hot
(left barber pole): jettison stores
(center Left) TADS/PNVS select: for night flying. Select which you will use
(center right) manual stabilator switch: Manually control the big wing thing on the tailboom

(right, both) both control the search light in some fashion
(trigger) BUCS trigger: your backup control system trigger. Its for really bad days. Read about it if you're curious
(thumb button) chop button: electronically cuts engines.
(pinky button) tail wheel lock/unlock: as the name implies
 

there are quite a few controls that, in a DCS standpoint, you don't necessarily need. So as long as you have a decent hotas it shouldn't be all that bad. 
 

 

 

En 21/1/2021 a las 23:57, Raptor9 dijo:

 

Keep in mind that ED is making a 2002-era AH-64D, in which case this particular function didn't exist at that time.

 

From the cockpit pictures released, the cyclic looks the same as a 2005 version.

Only 2 switches were modified on late block apaches cyclics.

The CMDS dispense switch (same button as chaff release but different functions)

And the CMDS manual program switch (forward- aft, allows selection between 4 manual chaff-flare programs)

All of these changes are also related to CMWS equipment, since without those, you would be having a hard time for manually releasing flares.

Also the weapon page had some changes I don't see in those pictures.

But they are still early pictures, so there is no way to tell, and perhaps it's an earlier implementation of the system which had simplified controls, depending on the era they decide to model.

Also, there is no way that we are getting a 2002 since MTADS (arrowhead system) was integrated around 2005.

 

 

 

 

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[Raptor9]

48 minutes ago, DaemonPhobos said:

From the cockpit pictures released, the cyclic looks the same as a 2005 version.

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Also, there is no way that we are getting a 2002 since MTADS (arrowhead system) was integrated around 2005.

 

Keep in mind that the previous comments (regarding the AH-64D version) in this thread were made a month prior to them revealing the features and installed equipment in the Feb 26th newsletter.  At the time, the only information they had revealed was a "2002 AH-64D".  Obviously we now know more context to narrow the era down.

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[DaemonPhobos]

hace 13 minutos, Raptor9 dijo:

 

Keep in mind that the previous comments (regarding the AH-64D version) in this thread were made a month prior to them revealing the features and installed equipment in the Feb 26th newsletter.  At the time, the only information they had revealed was a "2002 AH-64D".  Obviously we now know more context to narrow the era down.

 

 

Yup, I'm almost sure that the 2002 number comes from the initial date of the well-known reference material used, since it's has multiple changes, it would be normal to mistake it for a 2002 version.

However, like 60% of that document is from 2005, it was an interim solution until they separated block 1 and block 2 manuals.

I'm quite sure it should confusing to have two completely different versions of the same display page on a single document.

[Viper1970]

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[Wrench]

Hey all,

Does anyone have a good breakdown of the RL controls?

Like a picture of the HOTAS components with a legend for what they all do. This would also need to include the TEDAC controls.

[vigilante87]

Check this post out. I use to have the TEDAC controls on there, but it seems they took it down. It wouldn't take long for you to find the manual that covers everything.