Jump to content

MiG-23 MLA what is it's planned weapons capabilities?


Recommended Posts

Has RAZBAM said anything about what the planned implemented weapons will be for this model of 23?  Will it have the AA-7?  What other weapons will it use?  Will it be able to use the R-27?   Will it utilize weapons from the FC3 Russian aircraft by ED or will they do completely new ones?  

 

I am really excited for this aircraft and would love to hear more about what RAZBAM has planned for it?

Link to post
Share on other sites

R-23 and R-24, R-60 family, X-23 manually guided missile, bombs and rockets via CCIP and CCRP. ED has final word on missiles performance.

  • Thanks 1

i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/1060gtx 6gb/1920x1200'24/VPC T-50 Saitek X-52 throttle Saitek combat rudder

Link to post
Share on other sites

We can probably expect R-24 and R-60M that are available on AI MiG-23MLD. Its very possible that we could get also older R-3S, R-13M and R-60, since those are already in game. About R-23, Chizh said once that It would be easy to do, but when I look on treatment that Soviet/Russian missiles are receiving, I wouldnt expect those with MiG-23 release. And no, It wont be able to use R-27, since serial 23s never used them. 


Edited by SovietAce
Link to post
Share on other sites

Does anyone know seeker characteristics for R-24T? Is it a similar seeker to R-60M's or is it based on something older/newer, or is it original? I wonder if it will be able to lock and launch at non rear aspect targets at longer ranges.

 

Since big missile with IR seeker + IRST has always been a favorite combo for us when flying Flankers and Fulcrum, how capable was IRST on MiG-23MLA I wonder.

Modules:

MiG-21Bis, Fw-190D, Bf-109K, P-51D, F-86F, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, Hawk T1A, C-101, FC3, A-10C, CA, Mirage 2000C, Gazelle, L-39, MiG-15Bis, F-5E, AJS 37 Viggen, Yak-52, Christen Eagle II, MiG-19, I-16, JF-17, F-14, F/A-18C, Fw-190A8, AV-8B/NA, Spitifre IX

 

Mods:

A-4E, MB-339, Edge 540

 

Utility modules:

Combined Arms, NS 430 GPS

Link to post
Share on other sites

R-24T seeker lock ranges at +15 degrees C ambient temp normal atmosphere. Kilometers.

R-24T.JPG

As clearly seen, seeker has reasonable range against afterburning targets head-on. Rear aspect range against non-afterburning target is comparable to kinematic range or greater anyway.


Edited by Кош
  • Like 1
  • Thanks 4

i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/1060gtx 6gb/1920x1200'24/VPC T-50 Saitek X-52 throttle Saitek combat rudder

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hey, Kow, you have any charts like this for the TP-23 or 23?M? (IRST)

 

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/19/2021 at 3:58 AM, Кош said:

R-24T seeker lock ranges at +15 degrees C ambient temp normal atmosphere. Kilometers.

R-24T.JPG

As clearly seen, seeker has reasonable range against afterburning targets head-on. Rear aspect range against non-afterburning target is comparable to kinematic range or greater anyway.

 

Can you provide some translation for those of us who don't read Cyrillic?  What does each column mean?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have only this public doc on R-24 family. 

0-180 is obviously target aspect in degrees.

0 to 20000 is target alt in meters.

Максимал is 100% dry power of target

МГ is idle

ПФ is full afterburner.

Interestingly, an F-15 at 11km alt, and same max dry power, has drastically different frontal signature at Mach 0.8 and it's top of 2.35 - so cutting to idle while supersonic won't help - the skin is hot.

Also UH-1 has biggest signature from side.


Edited by Кош

i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/1060gtx 6gb/1920x1200'24/VPC T-50 Saitek X-52 throttle Saitek combat rudder

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/26/2021 at 2:24 AM, Кош said:

I have only this public doc on R-24 family. 

0-180 is obviously target aspect in degrees.

0 to 20000 is target alt in meters.

Максимал is 100% dry power of target

МГ is idle

ПФ is full afterburner.

Interestingly, an F-15 at 11km alt, and same max dry power, has drastically different frontal signature at Mach 0.8 and it's top of 2.35 - so cutting to idle while supersonic won't help - the skin is hot.

Also UH-1 has biggest signature from side.

 

 

I mean none of that is too surprising. I wonder about the missing F15 frontal numbers though.


Edited by Harlikwin

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites
13 часов назад, Harlikwin сказал:

 

I mean none of that is too surprising. I wonder about the missing F15 frontal numbers though.

 

15 degrees is almost head on anyway. 0 gives you 30km lock against a full dry. So it should be somewhere around 45-50 which is anyway outside the NEZ. Manual recommends to fire first missile from max range(which is already conservative) second from NEZ crossing.

i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/1060gtx 6gb/1920x1200'24/VPC T-50 Saitek X-52 throttle Saitek combat rudder

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 2 weeks later...
13 minutes ago, CrazyGman said:

Here

Screenshot_20210209-193613_Google Play Books.jpg

Don't let overstratos see that. 😉

 

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/19/2021 at 10:58 AM, Кош said:

R-24T seeker lock ranges at +15 degrees C ambient temp normal atmosphere. Kilometers.

R-24T.JPG

As clearly seen, seeker has reasonable range against afterburning targets head-on. Rear aspect range against non-afterburning target is comparable to kinematic range or greater anyway.

 

 

Those are very interesting numbers. Hopefully we could see that data mapped to R-24T seeker lock ranges capabilities in DCS and make relative to temperature etc.

i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S.

i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K.

Link to post
Share on other sites
16 минут назад, Fri13 сказал:

 

Those are very interesting numbers. Hopefully we could see that data mapped to R-24T seeker lock ranges capabilities in DCS and make relative to temperature etc.

This is pilot's manual for R-24 missile family, R and T. It's openly present on the net.

i5-10600k/32GB 3600/SSD NVME/1060gtx 6gb/1920x1200'24/VPC T-50 Saitek X-52 throttle Saitek combat rudder

Link to post
Share on other sites

The problem with that paragraph is that it absolutely lacks any sort of context for the sensor. I.e. head on is gonna alot different than tail on. AB on or off. Looking up/looking down (background matters ALOT). Also issues with false tracks from "hot rocks" etc.

 

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites

Given that they mention tail chases, I implicitly assumed it's about tail on geometry. AB on or off is a biggie, but I'd assume off since you're it's more likely to be the case when you're sneaking up on a target. You're right about altitude and look up/look down. I vaguely remember reading a US intelligence paper at some point claiming that around that period, the low altitude/look down capability of the VVS (although that's as a whole, not the Mig-23M or P specifically) was still fairly limited.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, TLTeo said:

Given that they mention tail chases, I implicitly assumed it's about tail on geometry. AB on or off is a biggie, but I'd assume off since you're it's more likely to be the case when you're sneaking up on a target. You're right about altitude and look up/look down. I vaguely remember reading a US intelligence paper at some point claiming that around that period, the low altitude/look down capability of the VVS (although that's as a whole, not the Mig-23M or P specifically) was still fairly limited.

 

Well the TP-23 is basically a look down sensor as its mounted under the aircraft, I forget the actual "up" angle but its like 1-3 degrees IIRC.

Its also a "chopper" based lead selenide detector so that has its sortiment of issues. 

My best understanding is that it was primarily designed to hunt for low altitude penetration bombers like the F111 and tornado, which would likely be low and in burner. So in "theory" it should work ok in those scenarios. 

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah not sure the Maxim book has tables like that. Be nice if it did, but then again the Dev has the manuals, so its gonna be based on that.

 

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 3 months later...

Its gonna have 

R60M's

R23R/T

R24R/T

 

And then AG ordnance.

 

  • Thanks 1

New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1)

Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).

Link to post
Share on other sites
×
×
  • Create New...