Heatblur F-4 Phantom

[ustio]

27 minutes ago, Lt_Jaeger said:

 

 

That's what I remember too

 

I remember BN saying that a while ago. I thought things have change after this interview. But it seems that it still where it is

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, QuiGon said:

 

Especially as they (Ex-Belsimtek) have put in quite a bit of work already into the Phantom and had released WIP screenshots of it already.

 

 

Nineline has confirmed on Discord with ED has none plans to build a F-4E.

[F-2]

The mystery phantom, non knows were she came from, whom she calls her family, only that she says, speed is life.

[Harlikwin]

Frankly I bet HB is doing it as one of their 2 unannounced modules. And hopefully it will come soon.

 

Reasons I think this:

They can recycle alot of jester logic for the backseat.

Development of the "old" F14's means they can also recycle older Aim7's and older sidewinder variants, plus the ALE-45 which I think was used on the Phantom as well

Not to mention if its a naval phantom, AWG-10 has some similarities to the AWG-9 (again jester re-cycle)

Plus the Naval Phantom also operated on the Forrestal.

 

Pure guesswork on my part, but it seems plausible. 

 

 

[upyr1]

On 2/5/2021 at 5:39 PM, Cypher1o1 said:

I'm all good with any Navy model or like the f-14 2 different F-4s, a F-4E and the most similar Navy model.

Your request is contradictory. The F-4E was the least like any Navy bird the flight model would be the most different from any other phantom except the G and F. The two closest F-4 variants would be the B and C. The main differences were the landing gear, and the controls in the back

[WinterH]

All that matters is we hopefully get a 75 to 80s F-4E, anything else is an amazing bonus for me. That E tho... that one is just pretty much necessary for DCS... I am afraid if it is a Heatblur project, they may end up only doing a naval one, in that case it is better off not being made as far as I'm concerned... -_-

[phant]

14 ore fa, QuiGon ha scritto:

I don't remember any such comment on the Phantom. ED said this about the Tornado, but not the Phantom.

 

The source is an interview given by Kate Perederko in December 2020 on Discord: "F-4 will be developed, eventually, but probably by a 3rd party dev. No particular model has been picked yet."

 

Following BIGNEWY's clarification regarding the translation of Perederko's sentence in the most recent interview, it is not 100% sure who is developing the module (it simply has not been said / asked) but if we take the first indication as valid it is likely that it will be a Third Party. Probably.

 

 

Bye

Phant

Edited September 6, 2021 by phant

[ustio]

well HB did say that one of the reason why Forrestal was delayed was because they want the carriers to be compatible for their future module. If its not the F-4 with their bridle then idk what. Its definitely not their A-6 because they use launch bar

[Riojano]

18 hours ago, upyr1 said:

Your request is contradictory. The F-4E was the least like any Navy bird the flight model would be the most different from any other phantom except the G and F. The two closest F-4 variants would be the B and C. The main differences were the landing gear, and the controls in the back

F-4C will be good for me along with a F-4B carrier version.

[Silver_Dragon]

21 minutes ago, Riojano said:

F-4C will be good for me along with a F-4B carrier version.

 

The F-4B has deploy to a 62-69 Scenery (73 on some old carriers). A F-4J from 68 to 81, F-4N from 73 to 83 and F-4S from 82 to 85.

[upyr1]

19 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

 

The F-4B has deploy to a 62-69 Scenery (73 on some old carriers). A F-4J from 68 to 81, F-4N from 73 to 83 and F-4S from 82 to 85.

The Midway operated Bs in the Linebacker campaigns.  The Essex class never operated the phantom II 

1 hour ago, Riojano said:

F-4C will be good for me along with a F-4B carrier version.

I hope they still do the multi pack I can't decide what Phantoms I want but c and b would be the closest

[Silver_Dragon]

6 minutes ago, upyr1 said:

The Midway operated Bs in the Linebacker campaigns.  The Essex class never operated the phantom II 

I hope they still do the multi pack I can't decide what Phantoms I want but c and b would be the closest

 

By "old carriers" I was talk about Midway class carriers. The CVA-41 Midway maintain your F-4B group to 72-73 after LineBacker II

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Apr 71 - Nov 71: CVW-5. 7th. VF-151; 11 F-4B, VF-161; 9 F-4B, VA-56; 8 A-7B, VA-93; 10 A-7B, VA-115; 10 A-6A/4 KA-6D, VAQ-130 Det 2; 4 EKA-3B, VFP-63 Det 3; 3 RF-8G, VAW-115; 2 E-2B, HC-1 Det 8; 3 SH-3G, HC-7 Det 110; 2 HH-3A
Apr 72 - Mar 73: CVW-5. 7th. VF-151; 8 F-4B, VF-161; 11 F-4B, VA-56; 11 A-7B, VA-93; 12 A-7B, VA-115; 9 A-6A/5 KA-6D, VAQ-130 Det 2; 2 EKA-3B, VFP-63 Det 3; 2 RF-8G, VAW-115; 3 E-2B, HC-1 Det 2; 4 SH-3G, HC-7 Det 110; 4 HH-3A
Sep 73 - Oct 73: CVW-5. 7th. VF-151; 13 F-4N, VF-161; 13 F-4N, VA-56; 13 A-7A, VA-93; 13 A-7A, VA-115; 10 A-6A/4 KA-6D, VFP-63 Det 3; 3 RF-8G, VAW-115; 4 E-2B, HC-1 Det 2; 5 SH-3G, VMCJ-1 Det 101; 5 EA-6A

The CVA-42 Franklin D. Roosevelt change to F-4J on 1970, but that reaprears on Sep 73 - Mar 74 after Linebacker II.
 

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Aug 67 - May 68 CVW-1. 6th. VF-14; 12 F-4B, VF-32; 10 F-4B, VA-12; 14 A-4C, VA-72; 14 A-4B, VA-172; 13 A-4C, VAH-10 Det 42; 2 KA-3B, VAW-121 Det 42; E-1B, VQ-2; est3 EA-3B, VFP-62 Det 42; 3 RF-8G, HC-2 Det 42; 3 UH-2A
Jan 70 - Jul 70: CVW-6. 6th. VF-41; 8 F-4J, VF-84; 8 F-4J, VA-15; 11 A-7B, VA-176; 9 A-6A, VA-215; 9 A-7B, VAW-121 Det 42; 2 E-1B, HC-2 Det 42; 1 UH-2A, 2 UH-2B, VFP-63 Det 42; 2 RF-8G, VAQ-130 Det 42; 2 EKA-3B
Jan 71 - Jul 71: CVW-6. 6th. VF-41; 11 F-4J, VF-84; 11 F-4J, VA-15; 12 A-7B, VA-87; 10 A-7B, VAW-121 Det 42; 2 E-1B, HC-2 Det 42; 3 HH-2D, VFP-63 Det 42; 2 RF-8G, VAQ-135 Det 1; 3 EKA-3B
Feb 72 - Dec 72: CVW-6. 6th. VF-41; 11 F-4J, VF-84; 12 F-4J, VA-15; 12 A-7B, VA-87; 10 A-7B, VA-176; 6 A-6/2 A-6C/2 KA-6D, VAW-121 Det 42; 3 E-1B, HC-2 Det 42; 3 SH-3G, VFP-63 Det 42; est3 RF-8G
Sep 73 - Mar 74 CVW-6. 6th. VF-14; 12 F-4B, VF-32; 12 F-4B, VA-15; 11 A-7B, VA-87; 12 A-7B, VA-176; 6 A-6A/3 A-6B/4 KA-6D, HC 2 Det 42; 3 SH-3G
Jan 75 - Jul 75 CVW-6. 6th. VF-41; 11 F-4N, VF-84; 10 F-4N, VA-87; 12 A-7B, VA-176; 4 A-6C/2 KA-6D, VAW-121 Det 42; 3 E-1B, HC-2 Det 42; 4 SH-3G

 

The CVN-43 maintaing your F-4B to 73

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Nov 71 - Jul 72: CVW-15. 7th. VF-51; 8 F-4B, VF-111; 10 F-4B, VA-22; 12 A-7E, VA-94; 12 A-7E, VMA(AW)-224; 9 A-6A/3 KA-6D, VFP-63 Det 5; 3 RF-8G, VAW-111 Det 4; 2 E-1B, VAQ-135 Det 3; 3 EKA-3B, HC-1 Det 6; 3 SH-3G, HC-7 Det 110; 3 HH-3A
Mar 73 - Nov 73: CVW-15. 7th. VF-51; 1 F-4B, VF-111; 6 F-4B, VA-22; 11 A-7E, VA-94; 12 A-7E, VA-95; 5 A-6A/3 A-6B/5 KA-6D, VAQ-135 Det 3; 3 EKA-3B, VAW-111 Det 4; 3 E-1B, VFP-63 Det 5; est3 RF-8G, HC-1 Det 6; 4 SH-3G, HC-7 Det 110; est3 HH-3A
Dec 74 - Jul 75: CVW-15. 7th. VF-51; 11 F-4N, VF-111; 4 F-4N, VA-22; 10 A-7E, VA-94; 3 A-7E, VA-95; 3 A-6A/2 KA-6D, VFP-63 Det 5; est3 RF-8G, RVAW-110 Det 3; est3 E-1B, HC-1 Det 2; est3 SH-3G
Feb 77 - Oct 77: CVW-15. 7th. VF-191; F-4J, VF-194; F-4J, VA-22; A-7E, VA-94; A-7E, VA-95; VFP-62; RF-8G, VMAQ-2; EA-6B, VQ-1; EA-3B, A-6E, VAW-114; E-2B, HC-1; SH-3G

 

The Forrestal Class Phase out your F-4B previously to Linebacker

CVA-59 Forestal
 

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Dec 69 - Jul 70: CVW-17. 6th. VF-11; 6 F-4B, VF-74; 10 F-4B, VA-36; 13 A-4C, VA-66; 10 A-4C, RVAH-13; 4 RA-5C, HS-11; 7 SH-3D, VAW-126; 2 E-2A
Jan 71 - Jul 71: CVW-17. 6th. VF-11; 11 F-4B, VF-74; 11 F-4B, VA-81; 11 A-7E, VA-83; 10 A-7E, VA-85; 9 A-6A/4 KA-6D, RVAH-7; 2 RA-5C, HS-3; 6 SH-3D VAW-126; 2 E-2B, VMCJ 2 Det A; 3 EA-6B

Sep 72 - Jul 73: CVW-17. 6th. VF-11; 12 F-4J, VA-81; 12 A-7E, VA-83; 12 A-7E, VA-85; 8 A-6E/4 KA-6D, RVAH-7; est2 RA-5C, HS-3; 7 SH-3D, VAW-126; 4 E-2B, VAQ-135; est2 EA-6/est2 EA-6A, VMCJ-2; est4 RF-4B
Mar 74 - Sep 74: CVW-17. 6th. VF-11; 12 F-4J, VF-74; 11 F-4J, VA-81; 9 A-7E, VA-83; 9 A-7E, VA-85; 9 A-6E/3 KA-6D, RVAH-6; 2 RA-5C, HS-3; 8 SH-3D VAW-126; 4 E-2

 

 

CVA-60 Saratoga

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Mar 66 - Oct 66; CVW-3. 6th. VF-31; 10 F-4B, VF-103; 11 F-4B, VA-34; 13 A-4C, VA-46; 14 A-4C, VA-106; 12 A-4C, RVAH-12; 4 RA-5C, VAW-12 Det 60; 1 E-1B, HC 2 Det 60; 3 UH-2B, VQ-2; EA-3A
May 67 - Dec 67; CVW-3. 6th. VF-31; 11 F-4B, VF-103; 12 F-4B, VA-44; A-4C, VA-176; 18 A-1H, VA-216; 20 A-4B, RVAH-9; 5 RA-5C, VAW-121 Det 60; 4 E-1B, HC-2 Det 60; 3 UH-2A
Jul 69 - Jan 70; CVW-3. 6th. VF-31; 9 F-4J, VF-103; 8 F-4J, VF-33; F-4, VA-46; 12 A-7B, VA-113; 11 A-7B, VA-75; 9 A-6A, RVAH-?; RA-5C, VAW-?; est4 E-2 Jun 70 - Nov 70; CVW-3. 6th. VF-31; 10 F-4J, VA-37; 12 A-7A, VA-75; 5 A-6A, 2 A-6B, VA-105; A-7A, HC-2 Det 60; 3 HH-2D

 

CVA-61 Ranger

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Dec 65 - Aug /66; CVW-14. 7th. VF-142; 13 F-4B, VF-143; 11 F-4B, VA-145; 5 A-1H, 4 A-1J, VA-146; 6 A-4C, VA-55; 8 A-4E, RVAH-9; RA-5C, VAH-2 Det F; 3 A-3B, VAW-11 Det F; 4 E-2A, HC-1 Det F; UH-2A, VQ-1 Det ?; EA-3B, VAP-61 Det ?; RA-3B
Nov 67 - May 68; CVW-2. 7th. VF-21; 12 F-4B, VF-154; 13 F-4B, VA-22; 13 A-4C, VA-147; 14 A-7A, VA-165; 12 A-6A, RVAH-6; RA-5C, VAW-115; E-2A, VAH-4 Det 61; 2 KA-3B, HC-1 Det 61; UH-2A/UH-2C, VAW-13 Det 61; 1 KA-3B/3 EKA-3B, VAP-61 Det 61; RA-3B
Oct 68 - May 69; CVW-2. 7th. VF-21; F-4J, VF-154; F-4J, VA-165; A-6A, VA-147; A-7A, VA-155; 14 A-4F, VAW-115; E-2A, RVAH-9; RA-5C, VAH-10 Det 61; KA-3B, VAQ-130 Det 61; EKA-3B, HC-1 Det 61; UH-2C, HS-2; SH-3A, HC-7 Det 110; SH-3A
Oct 69 - Jun 70; CVW-2. 7th. VF-21; 11 F-4J, VF-154; 10 F-4J, VA-56; 11 A-7B, VA-93; 12 A-7B, VA-196; 13 A-6A, RVAH-5; RA-5C, VAQ-134; EKA-3B/KA-3B, VAW-115; 4 E-2A, HC-1 Det 8; SH-3A, VC-3 Det ?; 147SK Fire drones

 

CVA-62 Independence

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May 65 - Dec 65; CVW-7. 7th. VF-41; 12 F-4B, VF-84; 12 F-4B, VA-72; 14 A-4E, VA-75; 12 A-6A, VA-86; 14 A-4E, RVAH-1; 6 RA-5C, VAH-4; A-3B, VAW-12 Det 62; 4 E-1B, HU-2 Det 62; 3 UH-2A, VAW-13 Det; EA-1F, VQ-1 Det ?; EA-3B, VAP-61 Det ?; RA-3B
Jun 66 - Feb 67; CVW-7. 6th. VF-41; 10 F-4B, VF-84; 9 F-4B, VMA-324; 14 A-4, VA-72; A-4E, VA-75; 8 A-6A, VA-86; 14 A-4E, RVAH-1; RA-5C, VAW-12 Det 62; 4 E-1B, HC-2 Det 62; 1 UH-2A, VAW-33 Det 62;, VQ-2; EA-3B, VFP-62 Det ?; RF-8A
Apr 68 - Jan 69; CVW-7. 6th. VF-41; 12 F-4J, VF-84; F-4B, VSF-1; 14 A-4C, VA-46;, VA-64; 14 A-4C, VA-76; 14 A-4C, VAH-10 Det 62; 3 KA-3B, RVAH-7; 5 RA-5C, HC-2 Det 62; 1 UH-2A/2 UH-2B, VAQ-33; TA-4F
Jun 70 - Jan 71; CVW-7. 6th. VF-33; 12 F-4J, VF-102; 11 F-4J, VA-65; 11 A-6A, RVAH-11; 4 RA-5C, VAW-122; 3 E-2A
Sep 71 - Mar 72; CVW-7. 2nd/6th. VF-33; 9 F-4J, VF-102; 10 F-4J, VA-65; 6 A-6A/3 KA-6D, VA-66; 8 A-7E, VA-12; 9 A-7E, RVAH-12; 2 RA-5C, VAW-122; 3 E-2B
Jun 73 - Jan 74; CVW-7. 6th. VF-33; 11 F-4J, VF-102; 12 F-4J, VA-12; 11 A-7E, VA-65; 9 A-6E, 4 KA-6D, VA-66; 12 A-7E, RVAH-14; 3 RA-5C, HS-5; 8 SH-3, VAW-124; 4 E-2, VAQ-33

 

The same situation on Kitty Hawk Class and Enterprise.
 

CVA-63 Kitty Hawk
 

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Nov 67 - Jun /68; CVW-11. 7th. VF-114; 12 F-4B, VF-213; 13 F-4B, VA-75; 11 A-6A/3 A-6B, VA-112; 12 A-4C, VA-144; 12 A-4E, RVAH-11; RA-5C, VAH-4 Det 63; 5 KA-3B, VAW-13 Det 63; 1 KA-3B, 5 EKA-3B, VAW-114; 3 E-2A, HC-1 Det 63; 3 UH-2C,
Dec /68 - Sep 69; CVW-11. 7th. VF-114; 11 F-4B, VF-213; 11 F-4B, VA-37; 14 A-7A, VA-65; 11 A-6A/2 A-6B, VA-105; 11 A-7A, RVAH-11; 5 RA-5C, VAQ-131; 2 KA-3B, 3 EKA-3B, VAW-114; 3 E-2A, HC-1 Det 63; UH-2C, HC-7 Det 110; SH-3A
Nov 70 - Jul 71; CVW-11. 7th. VF-114; F-4J, VF-213; 11 F-4J, VA-192; 9 A-7E, VA-195; 11 A-7E, VA-52; 7 A-6A/1 A-6B, RVAH-6; 2 RA-5C, VAQ-133; 2 EKA-3B, 1 KA-3B, VAW-114; 3 E-2B, HC-1 Det 2; 3 UH-2C, HC-7 Det 110; SH-3A

Feb 72 - Nov 72; CVW-11. 7th. VF-114; 11 F-4J, VF-213; 12 F-4J, VA-52; 8 A-6A, 3 A-6B/2 KA-6D, VA-192; 11 A-7E, VA-195; 13 A-7E, RVAH-7; 4 RA-5C, VAW-114; 3 E-2B, VQ-135 Det 1; 3 EKA-3B, HC-1 Det 1; 3 SH-3G, HC-7 Det 7; HH-3A
Nov 73 - Jul 74; CVW-11. 7th/5th. VF-114; 10 F-4J, VF-213; 10 F-4J, VA-192; 13 A-7E, VA-195; 11 A-7E, VA-52; 10 A-6A/3 KA-6D, VAQ-136; 4 EA-6B, RVAH-7; 2 RA-5C, VAW-114; 4 E-2B, VS-37; 8 S-2G, VS-38; 7 S-2G, HS-4; 10 SH-3D, VQ-1 Det 63; EA-3B

 

 

CVA-64 Constellation

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Apr 67 - Dec 67; CVW-14. 7th. VF-142; 11 F-4B, VF-143; 11 F-4B, VA-55; A-4C, VA-65; A-6A, VA-146; 13 A-4C, VA-196; 9 A-6A, RVAH-12; 5 RA-5C, VAH-8; KA-3B, VAW-113; 4 E-2A, HC-1 Det 64; UH-2A/ UH-2B, VAP-61 Det ?; RA-3B, VQ-1 Det ?; EA-3B, VAQ-13 Det ?; EA-1F
May 68 - Jan 69; CVW-14. 7th. VF-142; 11 F-4B, VF-143; 10 F-4B, VA-27; 13 A-7A, VA-97; 12 A-7A, VA-196; 8 A-6A/3 A-6B, RVAH-5; RA-5C, VAH-2 Det 64; 2 KA-3B, VAH-10 Det 64; KA-3B, VAW-13 Det 64; EKA-3B, VAW-113; 4 E-2A, HC-1 Det 64; 3 UH-2C
Aug 69 - May 70; CVW-14. 7th. VF-142; 13 F-4J, VF-143; 12 F-4J, VA-27; 15 A-7A, VA-85; 12 A-6A, 2 A-6B, VA-97; 13 A-7A, RVAH-7; 5 RA-5C, VAW-113; 4 E-2A, VAQ-133; 3 EKA-3B/2 KA-3B, HC-1 Det 5; 2 SH-3A, HC-7 Det 110; 4 SH-3A
Oct 71 - Jun 72; CVW-9. 7th. VF-92; 10 F-4J, VF-96; 12 F-4J, VA-146; 11 A-7E, VA-147; 11 A-7E, VA-165; 10 A-6A, 3 KA-6D, RVAH-11; 5 RA-5C, VAQ-130 Det 1; 3 EKA-3B, HC-1 Det 3; 3 SH-3G, VAW-116; 4 E-2B

 

CVAN-65 Enterprise

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Nov 66 - Jul 67; CVW-9. 7th. VF-92; 12 F-4B, VF-96; 9 F-4B, VA-35; 9 A-6A, VA-56; 13 A-4C, VA-113; 14 A-4C, RVAH-7; 3 RA-5C, VAH-2 Det M; 5 A-3B, VAQ-11 Det M; 4 E-2A, VAP-61 Det ?; RA-3B, HC-1 Det M; 1 UH-2A/2 UH-2B, VQ-1 Det ?; EA-3B
Jan 68 - Jul 68; CVW-9. 7th. VF-92; 13 F-4B, VF-96; 13 F-4B, VA-35; 11 A-6A/3 A-6B, VA-56; 13 A-4E, VA-113; 12 A-4F, RVAH-1; 6 RA-5C, VAH-2 Det 65; 2 KA-3B, VAW-13 Det 65; 1 EKA-3B, VAW-112; 3 E-2A, HC-1 Det 65; 4 UH-2C, HC-7 Det 111; SH-3A
Jan 69 - Jul 69; CVW-9. 7th. VF-92; 11 F-4J, VF-96; 11 F-4J, VA-145; 8 A-6A, VA-146; 13 A-7B, VA-215; 11 A-7B, VAQ-132; 2 EKA-3B/2 KA-3B, VAW-112; 4 E-2A, RVAH-6; RA-5C, HC-1 Det 65; 2 UH-2C
Aug 69 - Jan 71: Refueled
Jun 71 - Feb 72; CVW-14. 7th/5th. VF-143 P; 10 F-4J, VF-142; 6 F-4J, VA-97; 6 A-7E, VA-27; 9 A-7E, VA-196; 9 A-6A, 2 A-6B/2 KA-6D, RVAH-5; RA-5C VAW-113; E-2B, VAQ-130 Det 4; 2 EKA-3B, HC-1 Det 4; 3 SH-3G
Sep 72 - Jun 73; CVW-14. 7th. VF-143; 12 F-4J, VF-142; 10 F-4J, VA-27; 11 A-7E, VA-97; 11 A-7E, VA-196; 5 A-6E/4 KA-6D, VAW-113; 4 E-2B, VAQ-131; 4 EA-6B, RVAH-13; RA-5C, HS-2 Det 1; SH-3G

 

CVA-66 America

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Jan 1967 - Sep 67: CVW-6: 6th. VF-33; 11 F-4B, VF-102; 8 F-4B, VA-36; 14 A-4C, VA-64; 14 A-4C, VA-66; 15 A-4C, RVAH-5; 6 RA-5C, VAW-12; 4 E-1B, VAW-33; 3 EA-1F
Jan 67 - Sep 67; CVW-6; 6th. VF-33; 11 F-4B, VF-102; 8 F-4B, VA-36; 14 A-4C, VA-64; 14 A-4C, VA-66; 15 A-4C, RVAH-5; 6 RA-5C, VAW-12 Det 66; 4 E-1B, VAW-33 Det 66; 3 EA-1F
Apr 68 - Dec 68; CVW-6; 7th. VF-33; 12 F-4J, VF-102; 12 F-4J, VA-82; 12 A-7A, VA-86; 11 A-7A, VA-85; 11 A-6A, VAW-122; 4 E-2A, RVAH-13; RA-5C, VAH-10 Det 66; KA-3B, VAW-13 Det 66; EKA-3B, HC-2 Det 66; 2 UH-2A, 1 UH-2B
Apr 70 - Dec 70: CVW-9. World. VF-92; 9 F-4J, VF-96; 10 F-4J, VA-146; 12 A-7E, VA-147; 14 A-7E, VA-165; 4 A-6A/1 A-6B/8 A-6C, RVAH-12; 5 RA-5C, VAW-124; 4 E-2A, VAQ-132; 3 EKA-3B/2 KA-3B, HC-2; 3 UH-2C

 

CVA-67 John F. Kennedy has other case with was phase out on 71 and reapears on 73, previously to the F-14 Tomcat.

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Sep 68: Commissioned
Apr 69 - Dec 69: CVW-1. 6th. VF-14; 9 F-8H, VF-32; 10 F-4B, VA-81; 12 A-4C, VA-83; 14 A-4C, VA-95; 12 A-4C, RVAH 14; 5 RA-5C, VAQ-33 Det 67; 3 EA-1F, VAW-121 Det 67; 3 E-1B
Sep 70 - Mar 71: CVW-1. 2nd/6th. VF-32; 10 F-4B, VA-34; 5 A-6A/2 A-6B, VA-46; 10 A-7B, VA-72; 11 A-7B, RVAH-14; 3 RA-5C, HC-2 Det 67; 3 HH-2D
Dec 71 - Oct 72: CVW-1. 2nd/6th. VF-14; 8 F-4J, VF-32; 11 F-4B, VA-34; 5 A-6A/3 A-6B/3 A-6C/2 KA-6D, VA-46; 9 A-7B, VA-72; 12 A-7B, RVAH-14; 3 RA-5C, VAW-125 Det 67; 2 E-2B
Apr 73 - Dec 73: CVW-1. 6th. VF-14; 12 F-4B, VF-32; 12 F-4B, VA-34; 5 A-6A/3 A-6B/3 A-6C/4 KA-6D, VA-46; 12 A-7B, VA-72; 12 A-7B, RVAH-11; 2 RA-5C, VAW-125 Det 67; 4 E-2B, HC-2 Det 67; 4 SH-3G
Jun 75 - Jan 76: CVW-1. 6th. VF-14; 10 F-14A, VF-32; 12 F-14A, VA-34; 3 A-6B/5 A-6E/3 KA-6D, VA-46; 12 A-7B, VA-72; 9 A-7B
Jun 75: Reclassified CV

 

[upyr1]

13 minutes ago, Silver_Dragon said:

By "old carriers" I was talk about Midway class carriers. The CVA-41 Midway maintain your F-4B group to 72-73 after LineBacker II

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I figured that- anyhow what Vietnam era carriers should we get for the Phantom and Crusader? 

[Silver_Dragon]

1 hour ago, upyr1 said:

I figured that- anyhow what Vietnam era carriers should we get for the Phantom and Crusader? 

 

Check here the F-8 Carriers.

 

[Slice313]

HeatBlur announcing F4 Phantom next October 14? 

 

[ustio]

yeah Im gonna bet that there will be some easter egg on the Forrestal release video

[Jester986]

I really hope it’s heatblur doing the F-4 but I’m concerned it may be Mag3. And I don’t mean to insult them. But I think heatblur has more experience and resources to do this critical aircraft. Meanwhile the F-8 they’re working on is not too dissimilar in complexity and type from their Mig-21. The Mag-3 tease of an aircraft under Christmas wrapping awhile ago though was consistent with the shape of an F-4. I really look forward to the Corsair and Crusader from them, I’d just prefer to see Heatblur leverage their Tomcat experience for it versus another Dev stepping into uncharted waters. 

[LanceCriminal86]

1 hour ago, Jester986 said:

I really hope it’s heatblur doing the F-4 but I’m concerned it may be Mag3. And I don’t mean to insult them. But I think heatblur has more experience and resources to do this critical aircraft. Meanwhile the F-8 they’re working on is not too dissimilar in complexity and type from their Mig-21. The Mag-3 tease of an aircraft under Christmas wrapping awhile ago though was consistent with the shape of an F-4. I really look forward to the Corsair and Crusader from them, I’d just prefer to see Heatblur leverage their Tomcat experience for it versus another Dev stepping into uncharted waters. 

 

The photo I recalled seemed to have wing fences, a feature the F-4 doesn't have, and where I'd expect to see the elevators they were not apparent.

[ustio]

11 hours ago, Jester986 said:

I really hope it’s heatblur doing the F-4 but I’m concerned it may be Mag3. And I don’t mean to insult them. But I think heatblur has more experience and resources to do this critical aircraft. Meanwhile the F-8 they’re working on is not too dissimilar in complexity and type from their Mig-21. The Mag-3 tease of an aircraft under Christmas wrapping awhile ago though was consistent with the shape of an F-4. I really look forward to the Corsair and Crusader from them, I’d just prefer to see Heatblur leverage their Tomcat experience for it versus another Dev stepping into uncharted waters. 

that tease looks more like a Su-20 than F-4. One of the M3 dev even post some photo-geometry shot of a Su-20

[Germane]

Am 9.9.2021 um 15:42 schrieb ustio:

yeah Im gonna bet that there will be some easter egg on the Forrestal release video

Jep, I think/hope so too. I could imagine we will see something in the video

[Jester986]

11 hours ago, ustio said:

that tease looks more like a Su-20 than F-4. One of the M3 dev even post some photo-geometry shot of a Su-20

Well I hope that’s the case! The red air would certainly be welcome. 

[Jester986]

Did any of the Naval variants get guns?

[LanceCriminal86]

11 hours ago, Jester986 said:

Did any of the Naval variants get guns?

No. B, J, N, and S were all gunless, and not seeing any indicators pods were really used at all either.

[Uxi]

Navy & Marine Phantoms had the Mk 4 Gunpod by Hughes available for centerline point but it seems to have had a very bad reputation, much worse than the SUU-16 or SUU-23 used by USAF before the F-4E with internal gun came out. 

[Bananabrai]

On 8/20/2021 at 1:11 PM, Northstar98 said:

 

Personally, I think it's a necessity to have at least an F-4B/J/N/S (my preference being the F-4S, followed by the F-4J) and an F-4E.

 

The F-4S makes the most sense for HB's Forrestal, but the E was the most produced, and as WinterH said, it did have some desireable AG options that are desireable, which don't apply to USN/USMC Phantoms. Though as far as the F-4E goes, I'm only interested in a domestic variant/block.

 

My personal preference would be the British F-4M Phantom FGR.2 or F-4K Phantom FG.1 (from circa late 70s and onwards), but as it stands I think an F-4S and an F-4E (circa mid 70s) best fits DCS.

 

What could we expect in terms of weapons, sensors and capabilities from:

 

• F-4S
• F-4J
• F-4N

 

• F-4M FGR.2
• F-4K FG.1

Arent J and N pretty close to each other? The S was the latests/most capable Navy model, correct? 

If I remember correctly the Navy didn't use many different fancy "smart" A-G weapons?

 

How about the UK versions?

Personally I really like the looks of Navy Phantoms with the short nose better than the AF Phantoms.

But I would also really enjoy the ISR E-Phantom with AGM-78

Edited September 13, 2021 by Bananabrai