correct as-is SA Page NCTR Offboard

[Joni]

As per the manual, the SA page should display on its datablock the NCTR print of offboard donors like AWACS. It doesn't currently.

 

Track attached.

sa page nctr offboard.trk

Edited January 16, 2021 by Joni

[Joni]

For further help I noticed that FF offboard do show in both SA page and AZ EL. But SURV offboard only shows in AZ EL.

 

Thanks.

[AvroLanc]

+1

 

Yeah, this is noted my end too. 
 

Why would the AWACS Type ID not be available in the SA page? But is on AZ/EL? They should surely sync and provide integrated information?

 

I’ve noticed that the Type ID is always available on the AZ/EL , even in situations where there’s no FF data. Perhaps the AZ/EL is ‘cheating’ because it’s WIP? 
 

This has been marked as correct but it’s difficult to understand why. 
 

As a side note, I’m finding awacs never prints the type ID of a non-PPLI contact on the SA page. Even non-link 16 friendlies don’t have an ID. Surely AWACS would know and can publish? 
And for others, doesn’t he have a NCTR system that allows ID? What range does this work? Is that the issue? When Link 16 was first introduced SURV only contacts used to sometimes have ID , now never.......

 

Curious to know the mechanics of how this is implemented vs real world. 

[Jak525]

This is 100% a bug. The SA, Attack Radar, and Az/El formats are all different views of the same MSI picture. A HAFU represents a single MSI trackfile; it's the same trackfile regardless of which of the 3 MSI formats it's seen on. If the aircraft type is known through PPLI or NCTR data it should be displayed in all the appropriate places (Az/El AND SA). Az/El and SA are two ways of seeing exactly the same information.

 

There's already been an issue where PPLIs aren't properly correlated to radar tracks on the Az/El and Attack but they are on the SA (resulting in different identifications and ranks). Hopefully a rework can be done to make MSI much cleaner (and with that hopefully fixing the array of other inaccuracies/problems in A/A).

[dorianR666]

yep

 

 

[Tholozor]

My understanding is that the AZ/EL page displays the ID based on data through Link16, whereas the SA page shows the ID determined by NCTR.

Edited January 17, 2021 by Tholozor

[raelias]

41 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

My understanding is that the AZ/EL page displays the ID based on data through Link16, whereas the SA page shows the ID determined by NCTR.

 

 

I think the all track files in the MSI is suppose to be shown equally on all systems

Edited January 17, 2021 by raelias

[Joni]

37 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

My understanding is that the AZ/EL page displays the ID based on data through Link16, whereas the SA page shows the ID determined by NCTR.

 

 

Please see the quote from the manual.

[AvroLanc]

7 hours ago, Tholozor said:

My understanding is that the AZ/EL page displays the ID based on data through Link16, whereas the SA page shows the ID determined by NCTR.

 

This seems to be how it’s implemented at the moment, but it’s surely wrong or WIP. 
 

If it isn’t a single integrated picture across all 3 formats ( which it should be), then surely the AZ/EL being a radar page, would show NCTR and SA showing LINK 16. 

 

Reading some docs I have, NCTR info should show primarily on the AZ/EL. Possibly to be merged / supplemented with LINK data when available. The data block we see down in the bottom left is simplified at the moment. 

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all, 

 

We will be updating the manual to reflect this better. 

 

thank you