Corsair Hype!

[Baco]

It is.

 

[Steel Jaw]

Not to hammer this too hard but British carriers of the time we're far less capable than American heavy carriers which, among some vital factors, carried twice as many aircraft.   Essex class please.

[71st_AH Rob]

HMS Indefatigable (R10)

Aircraft Carried: 81

Flight Deck: Armoured

 

USS Franklin (CV-13)

Aircraft Carried: 90-100

Flight Deck: Wood (can you believe it?)

 

The USN liaison officer on HMS Indefatigable commented: "When a kamikaze hits a U.S. carrier it means 6 months of repair at Pearl [Harbor]. When a kamikaze hits a Limey carrier it’s just a case of "Sweepers, man your brooms."  Reportedly said after a kamikaze hit the Indefatigable resulting in 21 men killed and 27 wounded. Damage to the ship was minimal and the flight deck was back in operation thirty minutes later.

 

In March 45 Franklin was hit by two bombs resulting in 807 dead and 487 wounded. For Franklin the war was over.

 

For the difference of 10-20 aircraft, I'll take the armoured flight deck.

[Mogster]

It’s often overlooked but the British Pacific Fleet grew considerably towards the end of 1944.
 

By Okinawa the BPF consisted of over 200 ships and subs including 6 fleet carriers, 4 light carriers and 9 escort carriers. 7 of the fleet and light carriers were equipped with F4Us. All this build up was to support the anticipated land battle for mainland Japan of course. 

[rkk01]

16 hours ago, Mower said:

Not to hammer this too hard but British carriers of the time we're far less capable than American heavy carriers which, among some vital factors, carried twice as many aircraft.   Essex class please.

 

Sorry, seems quite rude TBH...

 

Here you go, quite a busy “little” ship...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victorious_(R38)

 

Even got lent to the USN to help them out for a bit

 

Illustrious Med bomb damage...

Edited April 3, 2021 by rkk01

[Mogster]

3 hours ago, rkk01 said:

 

Sorry, seems quite rude TBH...

 

Here you go, quite a busy “little” ship...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victorious_(R38)

 

Even got lent to the USN to help them out for a bit

 

Illustrious Med bomb damage...

 

With its incredible service record Illustrious really should have been preserved as a museum ship, along with the Warspite, Rodney maybe. Oh well...

 

Rodney was built at Lairds and as well as dismantling the Bismarck spend a lot of time in the Atlantic on convoy duty. It could have been the centrepiece of the battle of the Atlantic museum in Liverpool. In my money no object alternate reality...

[Silent Film]

Will Corsair be a dogfighter? I am looking to purchase a warbird for dogfight, I would love if it's an American one, but since there is no P-38 anywhere near in DCS, I wonder should I wait for the F4U, or just go for the Bf 109. A Spitfire is not an option because of bad gun sight and low speed.

[rkk01]

…. and there’s me thinking the Spitfire is the best dog fighter in DCS

[Steel Jaw]

The Spit a good DF but short legs so best for home defense.  I would get the Mustang.  I myself prefer the Thunderbolt for its ruggedness and 8 machine guns, its a CAS Beast.

[rkk01]

Well, the question was about dogfighting…

 

so the answer probably narrows in on the Spitfire and 109…?  I guess by “dogfight” the OP means a circle fight to get on the opponents tail

 

Haven’t flown the Mustang that much, but from what I’ve heard it’s the better one at high altitude? But otherwise Spit or 109.

 

 

[Silent Film]

22 hours ago, rkk01 said:

…. and there’s me thinking the Spitfire is the best dog fighter in DCS

 

I am currently trying both Spitfire and Bf 109. And regarding the performance, it's Bf 109 all the way. More stable for aiming and shooting, faster, better at climbing, better at diving, feeling sturdy. Spitfire is cute, but it feels like built of paper.

 

I already own Mustang and Thunderbolt, but I am now going for some real performance in dogfight and in aerobatics in general. Mustang can cope in dogfight with all warbirds more or less in one way or another except for Spitfire, but I want a plane which will provide me the feeling of freedom when maneuvering, Mustang is just too tricky and slow in maneuvering in comparison to Spitfire and Bf 109.

 

But I was wondering, will Corsair be a true dogfighter, I don't know shall I wait for it, but probably not, it looks like it should be similar to Thunderbolt.

[-Rudel-]

The 1A was the pure dogfighter with field mods allowing a centerline bomb.

The 1D was a dogfighter with added capabilities for bombing and firing rockets.

 

We are making a 1D.  It has an uprated engine, and provisions for bombs, rockets and armor.  Although heavier, she still packs a punch.

 

Also note, many of 1As that were assigned to land-based Marine units had their folding wing and tail hook assemblies remove to make them lighter.  So, many of the great victories heard about from the VMF-214 and other units are attributed to that field mod.  And of course tactics / and JPN pilot experience.

[reece146]

Maybe at some point do the land-based 1A? Reduce the weight, disable the switches, reduce the inertia...  Can this be effectively done as a mod - .lua changes?  

 

Lightweight monster of a flying beast sounds fun. 

 

I always gravitate to the Spit and the 109 in DCS because they "feel" so light relative to the others.

[Mogster]

3 hours ago, reece146 said:

Maybe at some point do the land-based 1A? Reduce the weight, disable the switches, reduce the inertia...  Can this be effectively done as a mod - .lua changes?  

 

Lightweight monster of a flying beast sounds fun. 

 

I always gravitate to the Spit and the 109 in DCS because they "feel" so light relative to the others.

After fingertip flying the Spit I feel like I’m rowing the P51 around the sky.

[Ercoupe]

"The Spit a good DF but short legs so best for home defense.  I would get the Mustang."

 

What home defense? We're not talking about real life. The Spitfire can reach anywhere on the map. Go Spit if you want a dogfighter. Of course, that's if you're talking about the classic, tail chasing, type. Tight turning, fast climbing. I don't think you're going to outturn any airplane we presently have, in the Corsair. You'll have to stay fast. You know, what everyone likes to call "boom 'n zoom." But I like a turning airplane. In the WW1 sims I always grabbed the Sopwith Pups and Camels.   

[Silent Film]

17 hours ago, Ercoupe said:

Go Spit if you want a dogfighter.

 

How do you manage to aim and shoot with Spitfire, I am currently trying Spitfire, and it's so unstable and shaking all the time I can't aim a thing, it's so frustrating.

[reece146]

1 minute ago, Silent Film said:

 

How do you manage to aim and shoot with Spitfire, I am currently trying Spitfire, and it's so unstable and shaking all the time I can't aim a thing, it's so frustrating.

 

Practice, practice, practice. It's not unstable - it's super precise.

 

(to be clear - I'm not in anyway suggesting I'm great with it - but there are moments of brilliance where the platform really shines)

[Mogster]

37 minutes ago, reece146 said:

 

Practice, practice, practice. It's not unstable - it's super precise.

 

(to be clear - I'm not in anyway suggesting I'm great with it - but there are moments of brilliance where the platform really shines)

Takeoff and landings are hairy but in the air the Spit is an ultimate flying machine, like a racing car for the sky.

 

A short stick extension does help a bit, so immersive to have your stick throw matching the on screen movement.

 

 

 

 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

23 hours ago, Silent Film said:

 

How do you manage to aim and shoot with Spitfire, I am currently trying Spitfire, and it's so unstable and shaking all the time I can't aim a thing, it's so frustrating.

So, you're crying for curves mate… so many people belittle curves in their joysticks for a reason, but I can tell you Spitfire is a quite stable and pleasant aircraft to fly indeed… on my 25cm long Warthog extension and still with curves, so think what you would need on a short stick to mimic the real controls of the beast.

 

Watch this by Philstyle about that exact subject if you want more information about it and a hint on what you have to do with your controls,

 

 

 

THOUGH, this is a Corsair topic, and I don't know what the controls will be in the Corsair. Anyway this method is still valid for any warbird or modern jets as well.

 

S!

Edited July 15, 2021 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Silent Film]

49 minutes ago, Ala13_ManOWar said:

So, you're crying for curves mate… so many people belittle curves in their joysticks for a reason, but I can tell you Spitfire is a quite stable and pleasant aircraft to fly indeed… on my 25cm long Warthog extension and still with curves, so think what you would need on a short stick to mimic the real controls of the beast.

 

Watch this by Philstyle about that exact subject if you want more information about it and a hint on what you have to do with your controls,

 

 

 

THOUGH, this is a Corsair topic, and I don't know what the controls will be in the Corsair. Anyway this method is still valid for any warbird or modern jets as well.

 

S!

 

 

Yes, thank you. I still never change saturation because I want to feel the "genuine experience" of a module, but I would already need to adjust the curves for my Thunderbolt, maybe sometime later.

 

Yes, this is the topic about the Corsair, and I still can't decide whether to go for the Bf 109 or the Spitfire, or to wait for the Corsair and collect all of the American warbirds.

[rkk01]

The Kurfürst and Corsair would be chalk and cheese…?

 

Similar power, but the 109 is much, much smaller and lighter…

 

Will be very interesting to see how these two match up in DCS. Max speeds look like they should be similar, but suspect the 109 would outclimb the Corsair, whereas the Corsair should be able to out-dive the 109

[ctguy1955]

Patience is a Virtue, but I hope now that 2.7.3 is out that the F4U is coming soon !    What a beautiful bird She is !

 

[Ala13_ManOWar]

17 hours ago, Silent Film said:

 

Yes, thank you. I still never change saturation because I want to feel the "genuine experience" of a module, but I would already need to adjust the curves for my Thunderbolt, maybe sometime later.

 

Yes, this is the topic about the Corsair, and I still can't decide whether to go for the Bf 109 or the Spitfire, or to wait for the Corsair and collect all of the American warbirds.

I don't like cutting down saturation as well because sometimes you would need the whole controls (not many times though), so I stick to the curves and they get the job done more than good enough. But I see lots of people these days complaining about this or that aircraft being too sensitive to controls, and curves is the way to go, they aren't cheating or something like that, they are there so you can try to mimic to some extent real controls response impossible to reach with your stock short joystick. So…

 

On your second subject, both are good aircraft, both are tricky aircraft on their own way, great modules depicting the real thing quite close. Depending on your previous experience, Spitfire is probably a better learning platform, less traumatic we could say, but both of them are relatively similar in their trickiness, but for different reasons and in different subjects. Buy them both, learn them, and when Corsair is out you'll have the background to compare, and the experience on tricky tail draggers to master it right away.

 

14 hours ago, rkk01 said:

Similar power, but the 109 is much, much smaller and lighter…

IIRC Corsair is 2000HP that the 109 only dream of, but bigger aircraft of course, it would be something on the like of P-47vs109 but more agile.

 

S!

[rkk01]

I read somewhere that some 109K engine fits were good for 2000PS over short duration?

 

ETA - Chuck’s Guide gives 1850 with MW-50…

Some K-4s were fitted with a DB 605DC engine which was rated at 2000PS when operating at 1.98 ATA with MW-50 and C3 fuel

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by rkk01

[Baco]

You kidding right?

The Corsair D-1 and above are not dogfighters but energy figthers: climb like crazy dive on your pray, climb back up, repeate...

It should not turn with K-4 or any BF 109 for that matter, and even  less with a Zero or a Ki...

 

Edited July 17, 2021 by Baco