jwbflyer Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 It seems like, since the last update, the 122/sidearm is less sensitive and I can be nose on an SA-15/TOR, watching it fire, seeing it in RWR and like 1 mile away and the sidearm is not locking it. I will add a track file when I return gone in 10 days. Link to post Share on other sites
virulosity Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I just tried it on an SA8, I get a lock at 10 miles, 10k ft. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbflyer Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Yea. I spent about 6 hours flying the harrier yesterday. My observation was that sometimes it would lock normally, and sometimes I could drive the harrier straight into the threat and never get a lock. (Threat firing and on rwr). Link to post Share on other sites
tea_cypher Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Please remember, for Razbam todo anything need a track file at the very least. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbflyer Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 4 hours ago, tea_cypher said: Please remember, for Razbam todo anything need a track file at the very least. will do as soon as I get back in town - thx. Link to post Share on other sites
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I'm going to bring this to some of the CB testers at ED to see. Time and time again I see this issue people are having yet a large portion of people dont have it so it has to be something with how the ARM logic is which would cause such varying results. Will report back if I find something. On 1/13/2021 at 5:53 PM, jwbflyer said: It seems like, since the last update, the 122/sidearm is less sensitive and I can be nose on an SA-15/TOR, watching it fire, seeing it in RWR and like 1 mile away and the sidearm is not locking it. I will add a track file when I return gone in 10 days. understand. We will be waiting a bit but please do get the .trk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to post Share on other sites
Divutski Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Allright, so i figured out what it might possible be the cause of this problem. Whenever you have sidewinders and AGM-122. For some odd reason the AGM-122 will not work. I managed to select AGM-122 once, went back, selected AGM65F, then sidewinders to AGM-122, and suddenly i get a no shooting cue /////// Link to post Share on other sites
jwbflyer Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Maybe this is the problem - I only had Aim9s and 122s, and was going in between them. Yes, I did select A-G when i went back to the 122 from aim9 (since the aim9 will bring you out of A-G mode). Link to post Share on other sites
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 1/15/2021 at 4:55 PM, Divutski said: Allright, so i figured out what it might possible be the cause of this problem. Whenever you have sidewinders and AGM-122. For some odd reason the AGM-122 will not work. I managed to select AGM-122 once, went back, selected AGM65F, then sidewinders to AGM-122, and suddenly i get a no shooting cue /////// Was it one of each on the outer pylons or one on the outer set and one on the inner set? Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to post Share on other sites
Wisky Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 so i just tried this with 2 SA on the inner and 2 9M on the outer pylons. i shot the two 9m on a J11, worked fine after that i killed two SA8 with the two Sidearms, first one i got a tone, the second one i just blind-fired into the general position it was supposed to be because its radar was still off. two kills Link to post Share on other sites
Fri13 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Is it confirmed that AGM-122 can be launched without a lock and it is capable to acquire the target if it receives signal and lock on that first signal it receives and guide there? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to post Share on other sites
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 6 hours ago, Fri13 said: Is it confirmed that AGM-122 can be launched without a lock and it is capable to acquire the target if it receives signal and lock on that first signal it receives and guide there? No On 2/16/2021 at 1:34 PM, Wisky said: so i just tried this with 2 SA on the inner and 2 9M on the outer pylons. i shot the two 9m on a J11, worked fine after that i killed two SA8 with the two Sidearms, first one i got a tone, the second one i just blind-fired into the general position it was supposed to be because its radar was still off. two kills So the blind fired Sidearm tracked? Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to post Share on other sites
jwbflyer Posted February 18 Author Share Posted February 18 Grim Reapers has a video showing the mad dog launch of a 22 and it hitting. I’ve done it once myself. My problem is Ive driven the 122 straight into an SA15/TOR and never got a tone for a lock, this being the second launch attempt. My hunch is there is something with a follow up shot that causes trouble in the second acquisition. Its very hard to get a track file but i will try when i get home in 2 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 If that is the case then this would be an ED weapon issue not a RAZBAM one. All weapons are controlled by ED and not by us. Day 1 we have not touched the sidearms. Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to post Share on other sites
Wisky Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 vor 2 Stunden schrieb RAZBAM_ELMO: No So the blind fired Sidearm tracked? yes i fire them maddog all the time. 7 out of 10 times they track. Link to post Share on other sites
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 problem is there is not a whole lot of documentation on them as they were phased out quite quickly. Are you launching within 9nm? Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to post Share on other sites
Wisky Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) from high up within 13 nm from low lvl flight ~7 nm sometimes i get tone, sometimes not. if i can see the sam with my tpod i will just point the reticle at it and magnum Edited February 18 by Wisky Link to post Share on other sites
Raidhen Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 Just test firing sidearm maddog, all of them hit a target. Never get a lock tone. AGM-122_Test.trk Raidhen Link to post Share on other sites
Kappa Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 18 ore fa, Wisky ha scritto: yes i fire them maddog all the time. 7 out of 10 times they track. Same here -- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 36° Stormo Virtuale - Italian Virtual Flight Community www.36stormovirtuale.net Link to post Share on other sites
jack varus Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I'm having a similar issue with the Sidearm now, only noticed in the last couple of weeks. I've been being spiked by multiple radars and it won't lock, the worst offender being an entire SA-10 battery where I had Line of Sight all the way from 10NM to flying over their heads! If it is locking onto emitters it's tending to be at very short range (5-6NM ish) and sending them mad dog at a known radar site with active search and track radar emitters doesn't yield results. It used to be extraordinarily deadly but now the weapon is more of a liability at the moment (possibly historically accurate but frustrating nonetheless). I'll build a test range and get some track files together. Link to post Share on other sites
Fri13 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Likely the Sidearm should get nerfed for the range and the detection distance. As so many talks down about its range, it being a suicide to go against SAM systems and more fitting against like a ZSU-23-4 at 1.5-2 km. Now it has been effective to be launched against SA-8 from its maximum range (about 7-8 nmi) from about 2000 ft altitude. It seems to fly way too long distances at so thick air. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to post Share on other sites
Wisky Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 vor 19 Stunden schrieb Fri13: Likely the Sidearm should get nerfed for the range and the detection distance. As so many talks down about its range, it being a suicide to go against SAM systems and more fitting against like a ZSU-23-4 at 1.5-2 km. Now it has been effective to be launched against SA-8 from its maximum range (about 7-8 nmi) from about 2000 ft altitude. It seems to fly way too long distances at so thick air. all weapon behaviour (is it range or flight dynamics) is out of Razbam‘s hand. But you could try report this in ED bug section with performance datasheets showing how its overperforming. Link to post Share on other sites
Fri13 Posted April 8 Share Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Wisky said: all weapon behaviour (is it range or flight dynamics) is out of Razbam‘s hand. But you could try report this in ED bug section with performance datasheets showing how its overperforming. Yes it is. On the moment the weapon is launched, the 3D model is swapped to ED one that runs the weapon. So module developer can only hang 3D models on their aircraft to be carried, unless they make a own weapon. And even then they are limited to ED weapons functions. Like happened with AIM-54. Problem is that there ain't much information from sidearm, other than pilots comments about it awful range. But considering that you can engage a SA-8 with safe margin distance, it is great ARM when you don't need to get inside such systems ranges. i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to post Share on other sites
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