resolved Aim-120, Aim-7MH, SD-10 produce 0% hit chance against non-manuevering hot target with blinking ECM+chaff

[TotenDead]

15 минут назад, Jonne сказал:

 

Works well until you face the AIM-54, which is the only Fox 3 not affected. In the JF-17 you are down to heaters.

 

This really is a major issue and I guess it is also present in the stable version, due to them being equal at the time.

I supposed it's not affected as you can fire it as semi active. Anyway, 54 has a greater range than anything in game, there shouldnt be much of a difference

[Маэстро]

On 1/13/2021 at 9:41 PM, HWasp said:

Please see the attached track (latest OB), other missiles may be affected.

 

R-27R, 530D (for example) are NOT affected.

Can you please provide a tack with F-15C instead of M2000?

[Jonne]

1 hour ago, TotenDead said:

I supposed it's not affected as you can fire it as semi active. Anyway, 54 has a greater range than anything in game, there shouldnt be much of a difference

 

NO, NO, NO and NO. Please read first. It has nothing to do with the mode the missile is fired in, but the missile API itself.

[TotenDead]

11 минут назад, Jonne сказал:

 

NO, NO, NO and NO. Please read first. It has nothing to do with the mode the missile is fired in, but the missile API itself.

Well ,okay then, but the latter part of my post is still relevant

Edited January 19, 2021 by TotenDead

[HWasp]

10 hours ago, Маэстро said:

Can you please provide a tack with F-15C instead of M2000?

 

I think that FC3 aircraft are not able to abuse this because of the implemented delay (warm up) period. Steadily emitting ECM does not cause this effect in my experience.

 

[SgtPappy]

I can confirm that steady jamming transmission in the F-15 does not have the same effect. 

[Joni]

I've had one of the worst MP experience in years tonight due to this bug. I hope they make the game usable for us again on wednesday.

 

Regards.

[Joni]

So this is still broken after today's huge patch?

[Blinky.ben]

am I right in saying the issue is that if someone that is being fired upon by a Aim-120 that if they continually turn the ECM on and off that the missile will always miss? If this is the case then once the missile is within 10-20nm (burn through) then wouldn’t this tactics have no effect? So only affecting long range shots? 
 

So if fired in TWS the defending pilot wouldn’t know they are under attack unless they suspect it. Once they get warning on the RWR this tactic still wouldn’t work due to burn through also?  
 

not questioning anything here. Just clearing in my mind what is actually the problem that will effect me.
 

 

[dundun92]

10 hours ago, Blinky.ben said:

am I right in saying the issue is that if someone that is being fired upon by a Aim-120 that if they continually turn the ECM on and off that the missile will always miss? If this is the case then once the missile is within 10-20nm (burn through) then wouldn’t this tactics have no effect? So only affecting long range shots? 
 

So if fired in TWS the defending pilot wouldn’t know they are under attack unless they suspect it. Once they get warning on the RWR this tactic still wouldn’t work due to burn through also?  
 

not questioning anything here. Just clearing in my mind what is actually the problem that will effect me.
 

 

No, the bug happens after active only. Burnthrough doesnt matter to missiles. Any missile that has gone active can be trashed like this.

[Joni]

On 1/26/2021 at 2:25 AM, Joni said:

I've had one of the worst MP experience in years tonight due to this bug. I hope they make the game usable for us again on wednesday.

 

Regards.

 

Is it? I haven't tried yet.

[jojo]

AIM-120C are so chaff hungry right now that it's worthless ! 

Even when the target stays hot, the missile will break lock and go for chaff behind it 

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

So , nothing on this with latest patch ? 

[Jonne]

Only Deka has introduced a workaround for their SD-10. The rest has not been fixed.

[Joni]

The hornet is unflyable in its current state. Amraams are useless and the radar is like it was back in 2019, it can't detect targets. Datalink is broken as well.

 

Maybe ED needs more than a couple of months to test the updates, current methodology isn't working.

[Sideburns]

Seeing a lot of AIM120 inexplicably failing good shots in the F16, missing at high mach, supported and high closure with no chaff or manoeuvre by opponent. Feels like the jammer bug is being abused. I suggested before it might be worth universally disabling jammers / ECM effects if this is the case as a quicker fix, or fixing the missiles.

[Csgo GE oh yeah]

Yep 'the public' has caught on :d ... Just seeing long strings of chaff while never defending :d 

[Harker]

TBH, I'm surprised this issue wasn't fixed in this patch or in a hotfix. It's a top priority, game breaking problem.

[Teknetinium]

I think it works as intended, Chaff and jammers should mess up the missile to some extent. In DCS that has not been the case at all regarding active missiles.    

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Teknetinium

[dundun92]

1 hour ago, Teknetinium said:

I think it works as intended, Chaff and jammers should mess up the missile to some extent. In DCS that has not been the case at all regarding active missiles.    

 

 

So you want this to affect ERs as well? And R-77s? Sure if thats the case, lets make applicable to all missiles, as it "should" in your words.

[Teknetinium]

27 minutes ago, dundun92 said:

So you want this to affect ERs as well? And R-77s? Sure if thats the case, lets make applicable to all missiles, as it "should" in your words.

ER-family is effected by jammers and chaff already. 

 

Edited January 31, 2021 by Teknetinium

[dundun92]

8 minutes ago, Teknetinium said:

ER-family is effected by jammers and chaff already. 

 

 

they arent by this bug, and I think you very well know that, as you know itd mean exactly 0 Pk for the ER under all circumstances

[Teknetinium]

[Joni]

25 minutes ago, Teknetinium said:

 

 

Holy dodge batman!

[Teknetinium]

F-4 in Vietnam did better or MIG-23