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I happen to own both the Reverb G2 and the Quest 2 + link (we will call this lockdown boredom lapse ☺️), so thought I give you my view so far.  For disclosure, had the G2 for a few months and the Quest 2 for a day at time of initial writing.

 

Headset quality:  I have to say the G2 is miles better in terms of comfort.  I have the standard head strap for the Quest and frankly it is rubbish. Also the foam is much harder than on the G2 and the area around the nose is not as comfortable and does not fit like on the G2 (light comes through, you can see your lap through the gap. I can spend hours with the G2 on but don't think I would with the Quest 2.  Maybe the elite strap helps overall but it is £50 additional... with forehead hurts after 2hrs with the quest.

 

Graphics:  G2 is also miles better. When I put the Quest 2 on I thought...oh that seems nice.  I use the 5408x2736 overall resolution as suggested there https://twitter.com/volgaksoy/status/1328145529042137088   It look smoother and softer than on the G2 and the cockpit was readable. Then I noticed that spotting planes was actually much much harder and I also noticed that my FPS was lower than with the G2.  Might be some setting fine-tuning thingy.   I put the G2 back and then I was 'whaow!' graphics are a lot crisper and spotting is dead easy.  Made me love my G2 all the more. Also think anyone who want to dogfight or spot targets from afar will want a G2.

 

feedback welcome.  Some tweaks might help but so far my experience.

On the Quest2 I launch oculus, enable link then launch DCS direct.  For G2, WMR then DCS direct (which triggers SteamVR) 

 


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Hi Brainfreeze,

Thanks first: this subject is exactly what I was looking for. I just bought my first headset, the Quest 2 and felt the waow effect inside of my plane, what an experience!

 

Since it’s wired through an USB-C cable I was leaning toward the G2 (connected by DisplayPort), which I’ve ordered, but will have to wait a few weeks before it gets available from HP.

 

I’ve read somewhere that the controllers were not so good, do you use them to manipulate the plane’s controls?

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Nope I do not use the controllers (don't have them for the G2 actually).  Planes controls are all on hotas (virpil Alpha + throttle) + directly clicking on cockpit in VR.   I love that in vr, it is much more immersive because you can just click everything easily and with the G2 everything is really clear in the cockpit.

 

BTW when you get your G2... use the alignment tool (below) ... need to swap top and bottom values and generally also make both sides symmetrical.

 


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I have the Rift CV1, Rift S, Quest 2, and Reverb G2. The Rift S was a big step up from the CV1 and I enjoyed using it for quite some time. Then the G2 arrived. I didn't think I would be able to enjoy the G2 until I built a new PC and got a 3080 RTX or 6800XT, but I was wrong. I get the same or better frame rates on the G2 as I did with the Rift S (generally 5 more fps since the reprojection rate for the G2 is 45 vs the Rift S 40) and have tremendously better graphics in resolution, clarity, and colors. Going back to the Rift S is painful after seeing how well things can look in the G2. I will say that I think the Rift S had better and/or more stable tracking, but the image quality difference is so game-changing that I can live with the problems the G2 brings with it such as having to run both Windows Mixed Reality and SteamVR to play DCS.

 

I just got my son a Quest 2 for Christmas and got the link cable, too. So, of course I tried it out with DCS World. It may be better than the Rift S, but I didn't do side by side testing to compare. All I know is that the G2 still looks so much better that the Quest 2 for DCS is a no-go for me. Its not that the Quest 2 is bad, its just nowhere near as good as the G2. I haven't tried the Valve Index or the Pimax, but the resolution, image quality, and performance of the G2 is so good that I don't how they could be any better overall.

 

Of course, the Quest 2 is really a different animal. Its main function is to allow a wireless room-scale VR experience. It does that very well. It also looks great when running natively programmed and installed applications as opposed to emulating a rift with compressed image data arriving over bandwidth limited copper wire. My son enjoyed the Darth Vader Immortal series and I like the Angry Birds implementation as well as the default Robo Recall. At a lower price (not as low if you get the factory link cable and the factory case), you get more capability than the G2 at the cost of image quality/performance in DCS World. If you aren't a dedicated DCS World nut like me and love VR gaming as whole, the Quest 2 is probably a better option. Of course, if you have the money, you can always get both.

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Thanks very much for the review - which I found to be quite encouraging.

 

For me - I can't bring myself to purchase a product from a company that has ever changing terms & condition strings attached that can revoke your account (and with that your devices as well) anytime in the future because you step outside of their standards somewhere down the track (and already has from reports I've read), so I want to continue to support companies that provide a 'no strings attached' product - regardless of whether it's not quite as good or not as the other.

 

So with that, it's encouraging to read that I don't need to compromise - and that the G2 is the better choice anyway for my needs.

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9 hours ago, Dangerzone said:

Thanks very much for the review - which I found to be quite encouraging.

 

For me - I can't bring myself to purchase a product from a company that has ever changing terms & condition strings attached that can revoke your account (and with that your devices as well) anytime in the future because you step outside of their standards somewhere down the track (and already has from reports I've read), so I want to continue to support companies that provide a 'no strings attached' product - regardless of whether it's not quite as good or not as the other.

 

So with that, it's encouraging to read that I don't need to compromise - and that the G2 is the better choice anyway for my needs.

 

Yeah I am with you there - I was a big Oculus fan and supporter up until they made Facebook a requirement to use their new device.

Got a Reverb G2 and have not looked back. Obviously with the low cost of entry the Quest 2 is seeing some popularity even for PC-VR, and anything that helps grow the VR industry is a good thing I guess.

It is just too bad Oculus walked away from a native PC-VR device. Seems to me they could have continued offering both.


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19 minutes ago, Flyingfish said:

This is really interesting. I've got a rift s and want to upgrade so I was considering the quest 2 but it seems from the above comments that the G2 looks better and gives better performance. Trouble is there aren't any G2's available!

 

Hehe indeed.   And there is a good reason for that(actually more than one) 🙂

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Good summary, thanks.

 

I've got a Quest 2 and I've been really happy with the improvement over my previous Rift S. The clarity and lack of screen door is so much better over the Rift S. I can read most dials, text, gauges and MFDs in most cockpits without having to lean in or use VR zoom. The untethered stand alone part is also brilliant if you fancy a break from DCS and just want to enjoy a bit of quick VR gaming fun, without having to power up your PC. You  just whip the headset on and bang, you're there! It really is great. The double tap the side of the headset to look through the pass through cameras and quickly see where you are is a great feature too. I use it often when I want to quickly jump out of my HOTAS chair and walk through to the back of my Mi-8, C-130 or business jet in MSFS2020 to enjoy a bit of chill time watching the scenery fly by. 😀 The finger tracking is very handy too (no pun intended!), I use it all the time to do things like quickly enable the Link cable without having to reach for a controller. The controllers too, from what I've heard, are better, less bulky and more comfortable than the G2 controllers and the batteries last an age. But...

 

I've just ordered a G2. I'm intrigued by people, such as yourself, saying the clarity is even better than the Quest 2, which itself, I thought, was a bit of a "wow" improvement over the Rift S, so I'll be interested to see for myself. I also hate the fact that my Quest 2 is linked to my Facebook account. This is another issue entirely, but I'm pretty sick of all social media at the moment, I've been using FB less and less over the past few months and I really want to leave it completely but I'm prevented from doing so at the moment because it'll brick my Quest.

 

So, I'll be sorry to lose some of the cool features of the Quest 2 but I'm looking forward to the social media freedom, the (hopefully) even better visuals, better comfort of the head strap (the Quest 2s is crap) and most importantly, the hours, days and weeks of constant tinkering getting the settings just right on yet another headset! 🤣

 

I'll decide after I have everything set up whether to keep my Quest 2 or not. Maybe I'll just deactivate my FB and keep it as a backup. Hopefully another non Oculus headset will be along soon with the comfort and clarity of the G2 but also the cool features of the Quest 2. The DecaGear could be very promising but who knows whether that will really come to fruition or is just pie in the sky... 

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Hey AlpineGTA,

so when you get your G2 check out what Pride37 and dburne summed up in this thread  

Setup is more involved with G2 but once done it is great.  Happy to help you with overall settings if you find yourself into a bind.   Important to know is that DCS deals badly with the G2 cross eye alignment and so, for comfort, check out BigNewy's cross eye alignment tool in the forum... swap top and bottom and maybe make left and right symmetrical.  After that it is all about finding the right shaders to use for best visual enjoyment.  One thing I cannot do properly with Quest 2 is spotting planes and it is a breeze with the G2... that is a very important part of flying DCS and numerous posts in here complain about the spotting side of DCS.

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Thanks for the info. It'll save me a bit of trawling the forum for all the setup tips.

 

Yes, the plane spotting is one thing I'm interested in comparing because I don't really have a problem with that in the Quest 2. I don't use labels and have gotten quite good at spotting and keeping track of planes in dogfights. So if the G2 is even better that should be pretty cool.

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I'm not at home at the moment but I can check later and post some settings. 

 

It may just be that I'm seeing the same as you and what you would consider terrible but I'm just acclimatised to it because I don't know any better.

 

I don't have a top spec either, I'm only running an old i7 and an AMD 5700 XT, but I do have 32gig of RAM. I play only single player too and I'm quite tolerant of low fps. I'm comfortable with as little as 25fps, as long as it's smooth and I'm not getting any stuttering I don't really obsess over what my fps is. 

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1 hour ago, AlpineGTA said:

I'm comfortable with as little as 25fps, as long as it's smooth and I'm not getting any stuttering I don't really obsess over what my fps is. 

Am with you there. Fps doesn't really matter as long as it stays smooth

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1 minute ago, Brainfreeze said:

Am with you there. Fps doesn't really matter as long as it stays smooth

 

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These are my VR settings for my Quest 2: 

 

 

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DCS VR.jpg

 

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Sorry for the slightly wonky DCS screenshots, I couldn't be bothered restarting in flat mode! 

 

As a benchmark, with these settings in the F-16 instant action free flight mission over the Persian Gulf (I find the F-16 to be one of the most taxing modules), I'm getting 25fps, low over Dubai:

F-16 25fps Dubai.jpg

 

and 40fps high over the sea:

F-16 40fps PG.jpg

The initial spawn in is horrible and jerky but it settles down after a few seconds.

 

Another benchmark - In the M-2000C instant action "guns guns guns' mission in the Caucasus I'm getting 39fps on the initial spawn in. And this is with all the cockpit lighting turned up to the max as the Mirage has a dark cockpit. Some say having cockpit lights on can impact fps, I don't know to what extent that it true but it sounds probable. You can see the bandit in the HUD just above the gunsight and just to the left of the 31 heading indication. It's a lot easier to see inside the headset:

M2000 39fps Caucasus Dogfight.jpg

Around 30fps during the dogfight. As I say, I have no trouble spotting and tracking planes but maybe I'm just accustomed to it. The bandit is the black dot just above the HUD glass and slightly left of centre. Again, it's much easier to see inside the headset. Much easier to see in the second picture, but I am much closer:

M2000 30fps Caucasus Dogfight.jpg

M2000 31fps Caucasus Dogfight.jpg

 

Also, my system specs: i7-3770 @ 3.40GHz, AMD 5700 XT, 32.0 GB DDR3 RAM, 1TB Samsung SSD

 

I don't use Oculus Tray Tool with DCS. I've tried it but I don't find it gives me any performance benefits. Also, after starting DCS up I Alt+Tab to the Oculus software and press Ctrl+Numberpad key 2 to force 45hz, ASW off. Otherwise I find it does jerk and stutter a bit. An easy way to check I have 45hz and ASW off is a quick press of F3, if the plane ghosts and stutters during the fly-by it's not off. If it flies by smoothly then it is ASW off. I also notice stutters when I move my head around the cockpit if it's not off.

 

Obviously this is what works for me with my hardware, it might be different for others.

 

And by the way, I did win that dogfight but somehow still managed to end up floating in my parachute next to my foe in his parachute, whilst a pilot-less Mirage flew in circles around us in full afterburner! Don't ask... 🤣

 

M2000 Parachute.jpg


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This AlpineGTA ... will try this and report back.  BTW... to save me time...how do you take your screenshots (key presses) and what do u use to display fps (I just have the Nvidia overlay but not gr8 and not showing in VR headset)?

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I just use the keyboard shortcut: 'Windows key+Print Screen' to take screenshots and then paste them into the default Windows Paint program to crop and save them as jpegs. Quick and easy. Tricky to do in the middle of a dogfight though! 😀

 

For displaying the FPS I use the built in DCS 'Ctrl+Pause Break' keys command. Using external software might be more accurate but it's only for comparison purposes whilst playing with settings.

 

Btw, the third screenshot - VR Options, I've also tried with Shadows set to Low and Anisotropic Filtering set to x8 but haven't noticed much difference in FPS. I also have Civ. traffic on medium and some chimney smoke enabled. Turning these off probably gives a bit more FPS but I like my world to look a bit alive and lived in. Everything depends so much on what module you're flying, what map you're on, how low you're flying, what city/terrain you're over, how many other assets/aircraft are moving and flying around, the same settings can give varying FPS.

 

A real test is the BF 109 instant action bomber intercept mission on the Channel map. Try and get good FPS on that. When I roll in to attack the bombers on that mission it turns into a 10 FPS slide show.

 

I am planning on upgrading my CPU and GPU for the G2 when GPUs are back in stock again at normal prices.


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hehe...thks for these tips...did not know about the nifty Ctrl+Pause 🙂  

Ok tried again with M2000 guns guns guns... right I can see/spot like you.  I get 40-80fps.  Not sure where to turn ASW off so left as is.

funny that in oculus link graphic prefs my slider's max reads 1.5x but is at the same resolution than yours...anyways.

I think you will enjoy the G2 ... u gonna be king of spotting.  Seriously it is much sharper on the G2. (BTW I have visib range at extreme).

Also I find the G2 is much more comfortable.  The Quest2 (stock strap) hurts on the forehead I find.

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Well, I've received an email to say my G2 has been delivered so I'm looking forward to getting home and playing around with that tonight. It was very quick, I only ordered it on Wednesday evening and wasn't expecting it until next week at the earliest!

 

Interesting, I'll try my visible range at extreme and see if I notice a difference in spotting. It seems like you're getting good FPS anyway. I'm guessing you've got a stronger GPU than me.

 

Btw, to turn ASW off just Alt+Tab so that your Oculus software is the window of focus on your desktop, press keys Ctrl+KeypadNmb2, then Alt+Tab back to your DCS Window.

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