Coxy_99 Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Seen as F-18 will no doubt have no warm-up JF-17 has a pod, F-14 ECM is instant why cant this be removed now? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxAlfa Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 I completely agree that this is needed now... or at least reduced to 3 sec or so... at least taking about standby to xmit time. ------- All the people keep asking for capabilities to be modelled.... I want the limitations to be modelled.... limitations make for realistic simulation. Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a bit you realize the pig likes it. Long time ago in galaxy far far away: https://www.deviantart.com/alfafox/gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 23 hours ago, Coxy_99 said: Seen as F-18 will no doubt have no warm-up JF-17 has a pod, F-14 ECM is instant why cant this be removed now? +1 Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 And it should shut down your radar! 5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 10, 2021 Author Share Posted January 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, GGTharos said: And it should shut down your radar! Yes i agree should also shut down left MFD push button 10 data 32 seconds magic INS to but it wont ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fri13 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Coxy_99 said: Yes i agree should also shut down left MFD push button 10 data 32 seconds magic INS to but it wont Hold on.... Please open that for me? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) LOL; Jamming BLINKING BIAS, NOW we should remove it remove 34 sec magic INS as well . A video to ED https://youtu.be/yRKfovi_KMY Edited January 10, 2021 by Teknetinium 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teknetinium Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) So funny to watch the double standards! Would be good if ED fix3ed bugs that are over 4 years old as well!! I acctully paid for that product to get supported!!! Edited January 10, 2021 by Teknetinium 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 If they're going to implement the F/A-18 ECM without the warm up this tells me that there is either a mild change coming to the ECM API and all planes will follow suit Or that they don't play their own game. I sure hope its not the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 There really needs to be a change, mostly to missiles and radars and how they treat ECM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weta43 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 They could make it that it comes on immediately, but you can only turn it on once in any 15 second period (to stop blinking) Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 seconds would be fine ... the problem is that there is no ECCM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Why 5 seconds? The real one has no delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostie Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I think the real one would be programmed to instantly respond to emissions. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon_S Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) ... Here at least they offer 5 sec. It's a big move PUUUUUSH!!! Oooooff... i have compromise. Flaming Cliffs cost $49.99 - 15.00 SEC = $34.99 for a life. Edited January 18, 2021 by Falcon_S 1 Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 hours ago, BlackPixxel said: Why 5 seconds? The real one has no delay. Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. The real fix here has nothing to do with delays, but with how ECM/ECCM works in-game - the root cause is a broken mechanic. Hopefully the only thing ED will change is the mechanic, and only then remove the warm-up. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPixxel Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, GGTharos said: Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. The real fix here has nothing to do with delays, but with how ECM/ECCM works in-game - the root cause is a broken mechanic. Hopefully the only thing ED will change is the mechanic, and only then remove the warm-up. What I want is that I can break the F-18's radar lock as he tries to lock me just has he can do the same with me. If ED does not implement a similar automation as on the hornet, then doing it manually is the only way to go. But with an artificial delay of 15 s it does not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) I know what you want, and what I'm saying is that what ED has done has broken things badly; removing the warm-up is not the answer, the answer is changing how ECM works. A stop-gap first in the common ECCM logic that everything seems to share, then slowly something a bit more comprehensive. When that happens, remove the timers as they won't be needed at all. Edited January 18, 2021 by GGTharos 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 What is not broken in dcs? In fc3 surely ECM logic cant be changed? Or can it? End of the day if modules get realism ECM ECCM then surely FC3 should have the same feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Coxy_99 said: What is not broken in dcs? In fc3 surely ECM logic cant be changed? Or can it? End of the day if modules get realism ECM ECCM then surely FC3 should have the same feature. This is about how missiles react to ECM at this point, it literally doesn't matter what you do with that ECM button - what I'm trying to say is that there's an unforseen problem caused by how ECM is implemented. The ECM in the FF modules is the same as in FC3 - all it does is sett he 'ECM on' flag. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotenDead Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 часа назад, GGTharos сказал: I know what you want, and what I'm saying is that what ED has done has broken things badly; removing the warm-up is not the answer, the answer is changing how ECM works. Ye, but for the time being removing that warm up is just fine by most reasonable people. It's realistic, you know, etc. 4 часа назад, GGTharos сказал: Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. What, why game breaking, no warm up is realistic! And F-15 has STT for a reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coxy_99 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, GGTharos said: This is about how missiles react to ECM at this point, it literally doesn't matter what you do with that ECM button - what I'm trying to say is that there's an unforseen problem caused by how ECM is implemented. The ECM in the FF modules is the same as in FC3 - all it does is sett he 'ECM on' flag. I thought the whole idea of ECM was to make active missiles go dumb full metal R-ard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 ... which is exactly why the world's air forces have stopped making any new ones. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but let's put it this way: If it does that to a 120, just what do you think that flanker radar is worth other than ballast? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmptohocah Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Seems to me that this "pizza defrosting" timer for the FC3 ECM will stay as is, with an explanation that the F/A-18 is in early access and that at some time in the future FC3 will get updated as well. Then we will wait for years for this to happen and complain here on forums in endless posts, while we get our radar locks broken by the Hornet. In the meanwhile a bunch of "blue" drivers will keep convincing us that ECM is highly classified and that no one really knows how exactly it works and that there are sim limitations and that FC3 is no priority and that ED needs to pay salaries to its employees and that {insert excuse here}... I've seen this movie already. 4 Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon_S Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 That's right Nix-e 1 Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB | VPC Throttle CM3 + VPC Constellation ALPHA on VPC WarBRD Base | HP Reverb G2 Youtube | Follow Me on TWITCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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