Coxy_99 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Seen as F-18 will no doubt have no warm-up JF-17 has a pod, F-14 ECM is instant why cant this be removed now? 3 Link to post Share on other sites
FoxAlfa Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 I completely agree that this is needed now... or at least reduced to 3 sec or so... at least taking about standby to xmit time. ------- All the people keep asking for capabilities to be modelled.... I want the limitations to be modelled.... limitations make for realistic simulation. Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a bit you realize the pig likes it. Long time ago in galaxy far far away: https://www.deviantart.com/alfafox/gallery Link to post Share on other sites
Cmptohocah Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 23 hours ago, Coxy_99 said: Seen as F-18 will no doubt have no warm-up JF-17 has a pod, F-14 ECM is instant why cant this be removed now? +1 Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 And it should shut down your radar! 2 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
Coxy_99 Posted January 10 Author Share Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, GGTharos said: And it should shut down your radar! Yes i agree should also shut down left MFD push button 10 data 32 seconds magic INS to but it wont ;) Link to post Share on other sites
Fri13 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Just now, Coxy_99 said: Yes i agree should also shut down left MFD push button 10 data 32 seconds magic INS to but it wont Hold on.... Please open that for me? i7-8700k, 32GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 2x 2080S SLI 8GB, Oculus Rift S. i7-8700k, 16GB 2666Mhz DDR4, 1080Ti 11GB, 27" 4K, 65" HDR 4K. Link to post Share on other sites
Teknetinium Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) LOL; Jamming BLINKING BIAS, NOW we should remove it remove 34 sec magic INS as well . A video to ED https://youtu.be/yRKfovi_KMY Edited January 10 by Teknetinium [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Discord 100th KIAP Discord Link to post Share on other sites
Teknetinium Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) So funny to watch the double standards! Would be good if ED fix3ed bugs that are over 4 years old as well!! I acctully paid for that product to get supported!!! Edited January 10 by Teknetinium [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 51st PVO Discord 100th KIAP Discord Link to post Share on other sites
TaxDollarsAtWork Posted Sunday at 11:50 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:50 PM If they're going to implement the F/A-18 ECM without the warm up this tells me that there is either a mild change coming to the ECM API and all planes will follow suit Or that they don't play their own game. I sure hope its not the latter. Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 12:03 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:03 AM There really needs to be a change, mostly to missiles and radars and how they treat ECM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
Weta43 Posted Monday at 12:28 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:28 AM They could make it that it comes on immediately, but you can only turn it on once in any 15 second period (to stop blinking) Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 12:50 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:50 AM 5 seconds would be fine ... the problem is that there is no ECCM. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPixxel Posted Monday at 08:53 AM Share Posted Monday at 08:53 AM Why 5 seconds? The real one has no delay. Link to post Share on other sites
Frostie Posted Monday at 11:21 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:21 AM I think the real one would be programmed to instantly respond to emissions. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 51st PVO "BISONS" Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon_S Posted Monday at 11:44 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:44 AM (edited) ... Here at least they offer 5 sec. It's a big move PUUUUUSH!!! Oooooff... i have compromise. Flaming Cliffs cost $49.99 - 15.00 SEC = $34.99 for a life. Edited Monday at 11:51 AM by Falcon_S If you are a dedicated pilot, a team player ... join us !!! 14thVFS Samurais Discord: https://discord.gg/uc9c7Vz Teamspeak: 14vfs.teamspeak3.com Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 02:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:00 PM 4 hours ago, BlackPixxel said: Why 5 seconds? The real one has no delay. Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. The real fix here has nothing to do with delays, but with how ECM/ECCM works in-game - the root cause is a broken mechanic. Hopefully the only thing ED will change is the mechanic, and only then remove the warm-up. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
BlackPixxel Posted Monday at 02:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:18 PM 14 minutes ago, GGTharos said: Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. The real fix here has nothing to do with delays, but with how ECM/ECCM works in-game - the root cause is a broken mechanic. Hopefully the only thing ED will change is the mechanic, and only then remove the warm-up. What I want is that I can break the F-18's radar lock as he tries to lock me just has he can do the same with me. If ED does not implement a similar automation as on the hornet, then doing it manually is the only way to go. But with an artificial delay of 15 s it does not work. Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 02:27 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:27 PM (edited) I know what you want, and what I'm saying is that what ED has done has broken things badly; removing the warm-up is not the answer, the answer is changing how ECM works. A stop-gap first in the common ECCM logic that everything seems to share, then slowly something a bit more comprehensive. When that happens, remove the timers as they won't be needed at all. Edited Monday at 02:27 PM by GGTharos 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
Coxy_99 Posted Monday at 06:10 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 06:10 PM What is not broken in dcs? In fc3 surely ECM logic cant be changed? Or can it? End of the day if modules get realism ECM ECCM then surely FC3 should have the same feature. Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 06:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:18 PM 6 minutes ago, Coxy_99 said: What is not broken in dcs? In fc3 surely ECM logic cant be changed? Or can it? End of the day if modules get realism ECM ECCM then surely FC3 should have the same feature. This is about how missiles react to ECM at this point, it literally doesn't matter what you do with that ECM button - what I'm trying to say is that there's an unforseen problem caused by how ECM is implemented. The ECM in the FF modules is the same as in FC3 - all it does is sett he 'ECM on' flag. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
TotenDead Posted Monday at 06:43 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:43 PM 4 часа назад, GGTharos сказал: I know what you want, and what I'm saying is that what ED has done has broken things badly; removing the warm-up is not the answer, the answer is changing how ECM works. Ye, but for the time being removing that warm up is just fine by most reasonable people. It's realistic, you know, etc. 4 часа назад, GGTharos сказал: Sounds like people just want to have access to a game-breaking oversight ... and this was exactly why the warm-up was introduced. What, why game breaking, no warm up is realistic! And F-15 has STT for a reason Link to post Share on other sites
Coxy_99 Posted Monday at 07:20 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 07:20 PM 1 hour ago, GGTharos said: This is about how missiles react to ECM at this point, it literally doesn't matter what you do with that ECM button - what I'm trying to say is that there's an unforseen problem caused by how ECM is implemented. The ECM in the FF modules is the same as in FC3 - all it does is sett he 'ECM on' flag. I thought the whole idea of ECM was to make active missiles go dumb full metal R-ard? Link to post Share on other sites
GGTharos Posted Monday at 08:13 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:13 PM ... which is exactly why the world's air forces have stopped making any new ones. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but let's put it this way: If it does that to a 120, just what do you think that flanker radar is worth other than ballast? 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to post Share on other sites
Cmptohocah Posted Tuesday at 12:42 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:42 PM Seems to me that this "pizza defrosting" timer for the FC3 ECM will stay as is, with an explanation that the F/A-18 is in early access and that at some time in the future FC3 will get updated as well. Then we will wait for years for this to happen and complain here on forums in endless posts, while we get our radar locks broken by the Hornet. In the meanwhile a bunch of "blue" drivers will keep convincing us that ECM is highly classified and that no one really knows how exactly it works and that there are sim limitations and that FC3 is no priority and that ED needs to pay salaries to its employees and that {insert excuse here}... I've seen this movie already. 1 Cmptohocah=CMPTOHOCAH Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon_S Posted Tuesday at 01:40 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:40 PM That's right Nix-e If you are a dedicated pilot, a team player ... join us !!! 14thVFS Samurais Discord: https://discord.gg/uc9c7Vz Teamspeak: 14vfs.teamspeak3.com Quote Немој ништа силом, узми већи чекић! MSI Tomahawk MAX | Ryzen 7 3700x | 32GB DDR4 3200MHz | RX 5700 XT OC Red Dragon 8GB Link to post Share on other sites
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