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I don't have any rudder pedals at the moment and I am using CH hotas so I have rudder axis on the mini stick.

This makes flying helicopters and plane ground movement not great.

 

I was looking into the cheaper options and seen pro flight rudder pedals I had some years ago and they was pretty good for over £100

 

But now with VKB set for around £160 plus maybe £30 duty tax from Netherlands to UK, without brakes axis but looks full metal.

 

 

 

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unless you fly warbirds, go VKB.
VKB are ideal for choppers though. Regarding the "no brakes!!!!" issue(for some), of course there are ways to help with that.

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Where is drama in toe brakes?
I use them in planes that have them, and use a lever in planes that have a hand brake lever.

I fail to see having toe brakes as some sort of drama. It is a choice, no right or wrong, just simply a choice.

 

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The VKB rudders are a solid metal constuction, while the CH rudders look like plastic to me. I'm using the VKB ones and I'm totally pleased with them. No drama with the toe-brakes either.

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2 hours ago, Sokol1_br said:

 

I fly warbirds and use VKB pedal without "drama with toe brakes". 😉

I don´t have any warbirds module to create an opinion, just what I know from reading others´experiences on FB 😉
apparently taking off a spitfire with VKB is an impossible mission

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1 hour ago, Ala12Rv-Tundra said:

I don´t have any warbirds module to create an opinion, just what I know from reading others´experiences on FB 😉
apparently taking off a spitfire with VKB is an impossible mission

I do have the spitfire module so I will give it ago lol

 

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4 hours ago, TonyStovepipe said:

Do you just use a single button to use both brakes?

 

Yes, but only for planes with "Wheel brakes" command only, e.g. Spitfire, Mig-15, 21... these planes have native "differential brakes" modeled (wheel brakes + rudder for ground turns).

 

But this option don't solve the issue of taxi maneuvers for planes with "toe brakes", e.g. P-51, Bf 109.

 

For this planes I set a button in  stick, trigger in VKB Gladiator  (mode 2 = green led), in VKB T-Link software for press the two virtual axis need for use as brakes.

 

In games, e.g. DCS, IL-2 CloD set this two virtual axis of T-Link software for left and right wheel brakes. 

 

- IL-2 Bo'x don't need this because have "differential brakes" modeled for all planes, IMO a marketing decision in benefit of people using 3-in-1 joysticks with twist rudder and not fancy HOTAS + pedals.

 

Now when in P-51, Bf 109... is just matter of do like in Spitfire, Mig-15, 21... pressing the trigger (in Green mode):

 

Brake both wheels equals.

Move rudder bar for left or right and press the trigger, only the left or right wheel is braked and taxi turns made.

 

So no reason for get an inferior product (Saitek PRO, CH, TFRP) just because their overrated "toe brakes", instead can buy a budget "high end" pedals: VKB T-Rudder brake'less. 😉 

- Of course if money is not problem get a MFG Crosswind, TPR, VirPilAce, Slaw Viper... pedals with brakes pad.

 

Any plane will turn in taxi maneuvers like if are using the overrated "toe brakes", and after all, taxi maneuvers is a very secondary thing in flight games, no reason for make "drama" about brake methods. 🙂 

 

If you decide bough T-Rudder, send me a PM with you joystick and throttle models, so I can suggest alternatives for "brake like a PRO" ... without the overrated "toe brakes". 🙂 

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As a recent owner of Logitech X56 controls plus VKB's T-Rudder and CH Pro pedals - my question is - do you want extra features you may be able to live without? Or quality/something that will work and last?

 

I can't speak for Logitech's rudders but if they're anything like the flagship Logitech X56 product - stay right away! The quality is pathetic - to the point where after only a few months I've already turned around, considered the loss and have purchased VKB MCG and waiting on Virpil for a throttle. I made a stupid decision where I should have 'bought right, bought once' - instead I've wasted money...

 

I've also owned CH Pro pedals. Sure... the toe brakes are kinda "nice" to have, but in reality I'm not missing them.... my CH Pro's are gathering dust while I use the VKB T-Rudders. Toe brakes are no match for precise inputs - which I get with the T-Rudders - I have much finer controls with them over the CH Pro's, and the quality build feels like it will outlast me! I was almost dissuaded by the lack of toe brakes but decided to try the T-Rudders anyway - and I'm very glad I did. I doubt you will be disappointed at all if you go with the VKB T-Rudder - they are a great product.

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10 hours ago, Sokol1_br said:

 

Yes, but only for planes with "Wheel brakes" command only, e.g. Spitfire, Mig-15, 21... these planes have native "differential brakes" modeled (wheel brakes + rudder for ground turns).

 

But this option don't solve the issue of taxi maneuvers for planes with "toe brakes", e.g. P-51, Bf 109.

 

For this planes I set a button in  stick, trigger in VKB Gladiator  (mode 2 = green led), in VKB T-Link software for press the two virtual axis need for use as brakes.

 

In games, e.g. DCS, IL-2 CloD set this two virtual axis of T-Link software for left and right wheel brakes. 

 

- IL-2 Bo'x don't need this because have "differential brakes" modeled for all planes, IMO a marketing decision in benefit of people using 3-in-1 joysticks with twist rudder and not fancy HOTAS + pedals.

 

Now when in P-51, Bf 109... is just matter of do like in Spitfire, Mig-15, 21... pressing the trigger (in Green mode):

 

Brake both wheels equals.

Move rudder bar for left or right and press the trigger, only the left or right wheel is braked and taxi turns made.

 

So no reason for get an inferior product (Saitek PRO, CH, TFRP) just because their overrated "toe brakes", instead can buy a budget "high end" pedals: VKB T-Rudder brake'less. 😉 

- Of course if money is not problem get a MFG Crosswind, TPR, VirPilAce, Slaw Viper... pedals with brakes pad.

 

Any plane will turn in taxi maneuvers like if are using the overrated "toe brakes", and after all, taxi maneuvers is a very secondary thing in flight games, no reason for make "drama" about brake methods. 🙂 

 

If you decide bough T-Rudder, send me a PM with you joystick and throttle models, so I can suggest alternatives for "brake like a PRO" ... without the overrated "toe brakes". 🙂 


I always always bind the joystick lever as a modifier. What would you suggest for my Warthog and Hornet sticks to activate virtual brakes?

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2 hours ago, TonyStovepipe said:

Thanks everyone, I have placed an order for VKB ones 😄

 

 

 

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A good choice. :clap_2:

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5 hours ago, TonyStovepipe said:

Hopefully delivery to the UK won't be to long.

 

They arrived from the Netherlands I think

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