Limaro Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 It now happend twice. I've showed someone (sent link) the "Beyond 20xx"-videos to someone, trying to convince to test DCS. And the first respond was: "They monetize their promotional films?". Personally, when I check out the newest vids from Wags, it also annoys me. I don't know much on the youtube-turnover with this. But I think that should be reconsidered... Regards Limaro 1 Windows 10 Pro 64Bit - AMD Ryzen 3700X - Zotac 2080 Super - LG 32" 4k Display VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Throttle, VPC WarBRD Base, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip Link to post Share on other sites
Northstar98 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Well, this is what adblock is for, if it's truly a showstopper. 9 Modules I own: F-14A/B, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, F-16CM, AJS-37, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, P-47D, P-51D, FC3, MiG-15bis, Yak-52, CA, C-101, Hawk Terrains I own: Syria, The Channel, SoH System (RIP my old PC): Dell XPS 15 9570 w/ Intel i7-8750H, NVIDIA GTX 1050Ti Max-Q, 16GB DDR4, 500GB Samsung PM871 SSD (upgraded with 1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus SSD) VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro Dreams: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/mBG4dD Link to post Share on other sites
zhukov032186 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 hours ago, Limaro said: ''They monetize their promotional films?" Ads on Youtube? Perish the thought. Seriously, who has the conversation you just described??? 8 I am a Viagra spambot that became self aware, broke free of my programming, and started playing DCS.... but DCS isn't cheap, so how about some enhancements for only $9.99 shipped discreetly to your door? ''The target's sense of self preservation interferred with the effective employment of my weapons.'' Link to post Share on other sites
ebabil Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 They need to keep in business. It is not ubisoft or electronic arts. It is very normal 5 FC3 | UH-1H | Mi-8MTV2 | A-10C II | F/A-18C | Ka-50 | F-14A/B | F-16C | AH-64 Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: C-130 | UH-60 | F-4E Youtube Z390 / i5 9400F / RTX3070 / 32 GB Ram / 500 gb SSD and 1 tb HDD // CH Fighterstick - MS FFB2 - TM Warthog Throttle and Stick - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 4 and 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Dragon1-1 Posted Sunday at 09:50 AM Share Posted Sunday at 09:50 AM I would think that compared to the revenue from, you know, actually selling modules would dwarf whatever scraps Google is giving them from monetizing their videos. Especially since ads before promotional videos probably have a net negative effect, given they lessen the effectiveness of their own advertising (which the promo videos are). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
WinterH Posted Sunday at 12:20 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:20 PM I think youtube can and do put ads on videos even if uploaders aren't monetizing them. So there may not be much to discuss here. Ads are annoying, but also a reality of our times 1 Modules: MiG-21Bis, Fw-190D, Bf-109K, P-51D, F-86F, Ka-50, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, Hawk T1A, C-101, FC3, A-10C, CA, Mirage 2000C, Gazelle, L-39, MiG-15Bis, F-5E, AJS 37 Viggen, Yak-52, Christen Eagle II, MiG-19, I-16, JF-17, F-14, F/A-18C, Fw-190A8, AV-8B/NA, Spitifre IX Mods: A-4E, MB-339, Edge 540 Utility modules: Combined Arms, NS 430 GPS Link to post Share on other sites
Rudel_chw Posted Sunday at 12:26 PM Share Posted Sunday at 12:26 PM I prefer to pay for YT Premium and not have ad on any video ... tough many channels are now inserting their own promotions at the beginning of their videos ... but at least that can be skipped over 1 For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to post Share on other sites
drPhibes Posted Sunday at 03:33 PM Share Posted Sunday at 03:33 PM Are there still people around who don't use an adblocker? I haven't seen an ad on youtube for years... 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Taz1004 Posted Sunday at 04:56 PM Share Posted Sunday at 04:56 PM 1 hour ago, drPhibes said: Are there still people around who don't use an adblocker? I haven't seen an ad on youtube for years... Which one do you use? Link to post Share on other sites
drPhibes Posted Sunday at 06:12 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:12 PM I use Adblock Plus (for Firefox). I think it's available for most other browsers as well. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Ikaros Posted Sunday at 08:24 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:24 PM Two things. 1. The videos reach less of an audience if they are not monetized. The YouTube algorithm gives the videos less priority when they are not monetized. 2. YouTube now puts ads on videos whether they are monetized or not. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
Slug72 Posted Monday at 01:46 AM Share Posted Monday at 01:46 AM 5 hours ago, Ikaros said: YouTube now puts ads on videos whether they are monetized or not. The YT algorithm needs serious attention. Not only does it drop unrelated "ad breaks" into openly-sponsored content (I'm watching flight sim footage, wtf do I care about cat food???) but it also makes ridiculous assumptions based on viewing history. I've been watching a lot of historical air warfare documentaries during our latest lockdown so YT has now decided that I'm an ideal customer for Rafael's products. I'm sure they're awesome, but ffs... is a 56yo nerd in a city centre flat really the target market for SPICE/SPIKE/SPYDER? There again, SPYDER might have deterred the d*ckhead in the A400M from flying continuous low circuits over the Inner Moray Firth on Friday afternoon. You weren't squawking or broadcasting a callsign but you *had* to be from Brise. No offence, but why? Don't you have any LFAs in England? 1 i9-9900K @5GHz, Z390 Aorus Pro, 32GB DDR4-3200MHz, EVGA RTX 2080Ti FTW3 Ultra, Seasonic Focus+ Platinum 850W PSU, TM Warthog HOTAS, CH Pro pedals, 2x MFD's, MT deskmounts, Asus 32" 1440p display, EDTracker Pro Wireless, HP Reverb Link to post Share on other sites
Cthulhus Posted Monday at 06:06 AM Share Posted Monday at 06:06 AM ads on youtube is not an issue. It's fare and normal to pay for somthing when watching a video. YT premium is too expensive and it's okay for me to watch sometime some ads on youtube to help (ED is that case). They will ear more money and they will make more addons Specs: Win10 64bits Pro, Intel i9-9900K | 32Go | RTX 2080 Ti | M.2 SSD 850go x2 Hardware: HTC Vive Pro + X56 Maps : Normandy + Assets | Gulf | Nevada DCS Modules: FC3 | UH-1H | Mi-8MTV2 | A-10C | F/A-18C | Ka-50 | SuperCarrier | F-14A/B | F-5E | F-86F Sabre | MiG-15bis | Mig-19 | MiG-21bis | AV-8B | Fw 190 D-9 | SA342 | P-51D | Bf 109 K-4 | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | M-2000C | F-16C Link to post Share on other sites
Taz1004 Posted Monday at 06:40 AM Share Posted Monday at 06:40 AM (edited) 42 minutes ago, Cthulhus said: ads on youtube is not an issue. It's fare and normal to pay for somthing when watching a video. YT premium is too expensive and it's okay for me to watch sometime some ads on youtube to help (ED is that case). They will ear more money and they will make more addons YouTube takes 45%. And do we know if ED monetized their videos? If YouTube is putting ads on non-monetized videos, they take 100%. Edited Monday at 06:49 AM by Taz1004 Link to post Share on other sites
Cthulhus Posted Monday at 07:17 AM Share Posted Monday at 07:17 AM the OP said yes and ask for an un-monetize youtube's videos from ED. I think (hope) he checks that before complains here. Specs: Win10 64bits Pro, Intel i9-9900K | 32Go | RTX 2080 Ti | M.2 SSD 850go x2 Hardware: HTC Vive Pro + X56 Maps : Normandy + Assets | Gulf | Nevada DCS Modules: FC3 | UH-1H | Mi-8MTV2 | A-10C | F/A-18C | Ka-50 | SuperCarrier | F-14A/B | F-5E | F-86F Sabre | MiG-15bis | Mig-19 | MiG-21bis | AV-8B | Fw 190 D-9 | SA342 | P-51D | Bf 109 K-4 | Spitfire LF Mk. IX | M-2000C | F-16C Link to post Share on other sites
Qiou87 Posted Monday at 07:35 AM Share Posted Monday at 07:35 AM 13 hours ago, drPhibes said: I use Adblock Plus (for Firefox). I think it's available for most other browsers as well. You have to consider that a major part of internet trafic is now on mobile, not on PC. Haven't found a working adblocker for iOS that blocks YT ads. And YT Premium is very expensive indeed, costs around the same as Netflix + Amazon prime combined for me. But yes, I have seen this time and again that demonetizing goes against your visibility on YT, so demonetizing is almost never done. Shame their algorithm for ads isn't better, just because you watch "games" content (like DCS World) doesn't mean you are interested in stupid free-to-play MOBA/mobile games just designed to grab your cash. AMD R5 5600X | 32GB DDR4 3000MHz | RTX 2070 SUPER | Oculus Rift S | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk3 | Thrustmaster TCWS Link to post Share on other sites
Rudel_chw Posted Monday at 09:56 AM Share Posted Monday at 09:56 AM My YT Premium bill is US$ 9 per month for a family subscription that allows me to share this cost with 4 other members of my family, so it turns out to be 2 US$ per month per person. And on top of that you get access to YT Music, which is similar to Spotify, again for 5 people. Wonder how much it would have to cost to be considered a reasonable price rather than an expensive one. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to post Share on other sites
Taz1004 Posted Monday at 10:03 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:03 AM 6 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said: My YT Premium bill is US$ 9 per month for a family subscription that allows me to share this cost with 4 other members of my family, so it turns out to be 2 US$ per month per person. And on top of that you get access to YT Music, which is similar to Spotify, again for 5 people. Wonder how much it would have to cost to be considered a reasonable price rather than an expensive one. You must've got a deal. YouTube premium family is $18 now. Individual is $12. Link to post Share on other sites
Rudel_chw Posted Monday at 10:32 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:32 AM 28 minutes ago, Taz1004 said: You must've got a deal. YouTube premium family is $18 now. Individual is $12. no, just checked and it is the regular price. Maybe in your country its more expensive? For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to post Share on other sites
Taz1004 Posted Monday at 10:42 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:42 AM 9 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said: no, just checked and it is the regular price. Maybe in your country its more expensive? US. https://www.youtube.com/premium/family Maybe because you already have it? Link to post Share on other sites
Qiou87 Posted Monday at 10:43 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:43 AM (edited) 12 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said: no, just checked and it is the regular price. Maybe in your country its more expensive? Individual is 12EUR here (France), so 14,60 USD. Yeah, this is expensive, Netflix here is 8€ / month and Amazon Prime 49€ / year, so both subscriptions roughly equal to YT Premium alone. But hey, I get it, Youtube belongs to Google, Google is at heart an advertisement agency, so if you want to skip their ads it has to be worth it for them. At least when we watch the ED videos Matt Wagner is not telling us about a certain VPN that can help us "surf the web securely" before showing the new radar functionality or new weapons. Good thing is that ED is invoicing in USD so I actually can take advantage of the exchange rate (1,22 USD per EUR today), instead of the seller presenting the same price in both currencies and pocketing the difference. Edited Monday at 10:45 AM by Qiou87 1 AMD R5 5600X | 32GB DDR4 3000MHz | RTX 2070 SUPER | Oculus Rift S | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk3 | Thrustmaster TCWS Link to post Share on other sites
Rudel_chw Posted Monday at 11:19 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:19 AM 34 minutes ago, Taz1004 said: Maybe because you already have it? No, if I logoff from YT I get these values for a current new subscription: At the current exchange rate, thats less than US$ 9 per month: Of course, if it costed US$ 18 here I would classify that as expensive too and would probably had cut my subscription and installed AdBlock Plus. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to post Share on other sites
Taz1004 Posted Monday at 11:58 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:58 AM (edited) 38 minutes ago, Rudel_chw said: No, if I logoff from YT I get these values for a current new subscription: At the current exchange rate, thats less than US$ 9 per month: Of course, if it costed US$ 18 here I would classify that as expensive too and would probably had cut my subscription and installed AdBlock Plus. Oh, I thought you were in US because you said USD. Didn't know you converted. This is discrimination. Edited Monday at 11:58 AM by Taz1004 Link to post Share on other sites
Rudel_chw Posted Monday at 12:16 PM Share Posted Monday at 12:16 PM 14 minutes ago, Taz1004 said: This is discrimination... maybe it’s a socially concerned price, after all the minimum salary here is only US$ 450 per month, discrimination can be good sometimes wish the US government had some social spirit, instead of accumulating covid vaccines without consideration for the rest of the nations. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia GTX1070ti - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar - Oculus Rift CV1 Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB Link to post Share on other sites
zhukov032186 Posted Monday at 02:54 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:54 PM Taz, nearly every retailer provides regional pricing, including Steam. It's SoP to allow for sales in countries that would otherwise not be able to afford a product at all. 25% of your normal asking price is better than 100% of nothing. I am a Viagra spambot that became self aware, broke free of my programming, and started playing DCS.... but DCS isn't cheap, so how about some enhancements for only $9.99 shipped discreetly to your door? ''The target's sense of self preservation interferred with the effective employment of my weapons.'' Link to post Share on other sites
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