RyboPops Posted January 4, 2021 Share Posted January 4, 2021 I recently read that back in October there was some discussion of pending changes to the CMDS system, particularly how the CMS switch worked. A discrepancy between the A-10C II manual and how the switch currently works still exists, so I was just hoping for some sort of follow up on what we can expect for this system in the near future and, if at all possible, a timeline for its expected implementation. The main reason I ask is I'm working on a mod that (hopefully) integrates the High Digit SAMs mod into the A-10C II RWR, CMSC, and dispensers, but I'd rather hold off if files will be changing in the near future. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus5624 Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 The patch notes from last Wednessday mention updates to the CMS HOTAS. Where can I find what these changes actually are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 The manual for the A-10C II has always shown what was now implemented (meaning the manual was actually wrong before this patch). Take any A-10C II Tank Killer manual (downloaded or from your installation dir) and check the table HOTAS Commands - Stick for the CMS switch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 13 minutes ago, Yurgon said: The manual for the A-10C II has always shown what was now implemented (meaning the manual was actually wrong before this patch). Take any A-10C II Tank Killer manual (downloaded or from your installation dir) and check the table HOTAS Commands - Stick for the CMS switch. Yeah, the A-10C II manual is now describing how it actually works ingame. Instead the manual of the old A-10C is now incorrect, as the new CMS functionality was also applied to the old A-10C, but the manual is still describing the old functionality Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) Something is messed up with it though. According to the manual when you do the CMS Forward Long, it should dispense using the current program selected. I changed the left and right to select the program using the rotary but the dispense isn't working for me as described in the manual. I tried switching the assignments from forward/aft to left/right and it doesn't work that way either. Edited January 29, 2021 by 75th-VFS-Striker Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, 75th-VFS-Striker said: According to the manual when you do the CMS Forward Long, it should dispense using the current program selected. Where'd you get that manual? Mine says CMS Forward Long and CMS Aft Long are Next Program and Previous Program, respectively. Activate/Deactivate Program is CMS Depress Short instead. As far as I'm aware, that's how it's been listed in the manual since the A-10C II was released (but I didn't exactly memorize the table, so I'm not 100% sure here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VAF [136] Striker Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) OK, I misread that term "cycled" to be that it was starting the program cycle and I get how the system works now. Pg416: Activate a Program Each program (PROG) is assigned a letter (A - Z) and they can be cycled by either pressing the CMS switch Forward or Aft Long (>0.5 seconds), or by pressing the NXT button on the CMSP. The selected program is also displayed on the CMSC below the HUD. When in MAN or SEMI modes, depress the CMS switch Z-axis to start the program. Depress the switch again to cease the program. You can also easily activate the following quick-access programs: CMS Right Short 6 chaff CMS Aft Short 1 chaff CMS Left Short 6 flares CMS Forward Short 1 flare If in AUTO mode, you do not have direct control of the program selection or activation. Edited January 29, 2021 by 75th-VFS-Striker Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightMan Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I just noticed what I think is the same problem reported; The HOTAS CMD Left/Right, which used to change the program in the CMD, now starts dispensing flares and chaffs like crazy. Is this a bug? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yurgon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, NightMan said: The HOTAS CMD Left/Right, which used to change the program in the CMD, now starts dispensing flares and chaffs like crazy. Is this a bug? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 hours ago, NightMan said: The HOTAS CMD Left/Right, which used to change the program in the CMD, now starts dispensing flares and chaffs like crazy. Is this a bug? Depress short on the CMS and it will dispense the chosen program. Otherwise: 5 hours ago, 75th-VFS-Striker said: CMS Right Short 6 chaff CMS Aft Short 1 chaff CMS Left Short 6 flares CMS Forward Short 1 flare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz1004 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 This makes manual mode completely pointless. Will need to keep it on Semi all the time and dispense flares manually. Better Smoke - Better Trees Caucasus - Better Trees Syria - Better Trees Mariana - Clear Canopy Glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAF [136] Striker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Hey Taz, I get what you're saying but what I did was to change the left and right to use the CMPS up and down rotary and then left the forward and aft alone. Now in manual when I push the switch down short, which used to be the JMR switch (jammer is now down long), it does the manual programs that I want. So it's a little more cumbersome in my humble opinion but there is a work around to make it more like I prefer it anyhow. You can also reassign the left/right to for/aft if you want to. The default left/right spits out 6 chaff and flare and the for/aft does one each but you can always switch them if you want more chaff and flare as a quick press. Anyhow, that's my solution and I'm back in biz. Nvidia GTX-1080 Intel i7-4820K 3.7 Ghz ASUS ROG Rampage IV Extreme MB 32 GB Memory Windows 7 Pro 64 Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corvus5624 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 hours ago, Yurgon said: The manual for the A-10C II has always shown what was now implemented (meaning the manual was actually wrong before this patch). Take any A-10C II Tank Killer manual (downloaded or from your installation dir) and check the table HOTAS Commands - Stick for the CMS switch. Thanks. It indeed seems to work as described in the manual. It does require some getting used to though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Clark Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Here's an excerpt from my HOTAS guide, if the visual reference makes thing more clear: 3 Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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