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We only need a few more modules, a proper late 44/early 45 map and some more assets (like working radar) to call this theatre more or less complete.

 

Pls consider putting your energy into getting this finished before putting considerable effort into a new SEA theatre.

 

Also, pls consider providing the community with a roadmap to reach this goal (aka a list of features to be completed in chronological order until said goal is reached). I think most of the WW2 community would appreciate something like this. Thanks.

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a road map would be nice however there are so many aircraft that could be added for late war examples that it would take years to deal with.

Tempest.

Spitfire MK XIV

150 octane fuel

262/163/162 however only the 262 is planned

 

as well some other night fighters/heavy fighters

 

seems to me that they are focusing more on the mid war period with the release of the A8 and MK IX spitfire and now the upcoming mosquito. though with mariana islands and the corsair being worked on by mag 3 i cant be sure

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On 12/30/2020 at 6:36 AM, MrExplosion said:

We only need a few more modules, a proper late 44/early 45 map and some more assets (like working radar) to call this theatre more or less complete.

 

Pls consider putting your energy into getting this finished before putting considerable effort into a new SEA theatre.

 

Also, pls consider providing the community with a roadmap to reach this goal (aka a list of features to be completed in chronological order until said goal is reached). I think most of the WW2 community would appreciate something like this. Thanks.

 

I agree 101%. We are close to achieving this for WWll. Considering that ED has a relatively small dev team, efforts should be prioritized to complete this theatre

instead of pushing out a lot of new stuff with no proper place to play them. They should finish what they started, or things will become too fragmented.

 

 

On 12/30/2020 at 8:25 AM, peeter said:

I hope for a bf109 G6 so it would suit the allied planes.

 

Instead of a variant of a plane that we already have, how about modules that will be needed for the current EU maps and upcoming Marianna's map?   

This map, which is currently under development and will be a much welcomed extension of WWll, will be almost useless without WWll era carriers,

support ships and associated aircraft, both allied and Japanese.

We already have two good WWll European theatres in The Channel and Normandy maps, but no German bombers, Naval or other assets to populate them.

This is where they need to focus most of their energy to appease us WWll buffs.

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On 1/14/2021 at 7:44 AM, rayrayblues said:

 

 

I agree 101%. We are close to achieving this for WWll. Considering that ED has a relatively small dev team, efforts should be prioritized to complete this theatre

instead of pushing out a lot of new stuff with no proper place to play them. They should finish what they started, or things will become too fragmented.

 

 

 

Instead of a variant of a plane that we already have, how about modules that will be needed for the current EU maps and upcoming Marianna's map?   

This map, which is currently under development and will be a much welcomed extension of WWll, will be almost useless without WWll era carriers,

support ships and associated aircraft, both allied and Japanese.

We already have two good WWll European theatres in The Channel and Normandy maps, but no German bombers, Naval or other assets to populate them.

This is where they need to focus most of their energy to appease us WWll buffs.

We don't have the 109G6.  The 109K4 is completely irrelevant to Normandy.  So please bring on the G6.
Also, the Channel map is hardly used, irrelevant to any of the current aircraft, and has its own historical inaccuracies

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On 12/30/2020 at 7:36 AM, MrExplosion said:

We only need a few more modules, a proper late 44/early 45 map and some more assets (like working radar) to call this theatre more or less complete.

 

Pls consider putting your energy into getting this finished before putting considerable effort into a new SEA theatre.

I think Eagle needs to slowly start switching gears to the Pacific. Mainly by doing assets that can do double duty. I am not saying they should ignore Western Europe only assets just they need to think about ones that were in both especially naval assets

 

On 12/30/2020 at 7:36 AM, MrExplosion said:

 

Also, pls consider providing the community with a roadmap to reach this goal (aka a list of features to be completed in chronological order until said goal is reached). I think most of the WW2 community would appreciate something like this. Thanks.

Agreed here

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They still have a lot left to do with the European theatre IMO, especially in terms of AI aircraft. 

 

Some of these might cross over, however I don't know what aircraft were around for the actual Marianas Battle. 

 

I just had a look and pretty much no aircraft carry over from the Battle of the Philippines to Normandy or vice versa.... Potential the Hellcat and Corsair but I don't think they actually saw action over Europe. 

 

Helldiver, Dauntless, Avengers make up the rest. 


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4 hours ago, Mogster said:

RN Avenger & Hellcat were used over Normandy I think, maybe from land bases as well as carriers. USN Hellcats covered the invasion of S France after D-Day iirc.

 

RN F4U covered the RN operations against the Tirpitz I think.

 

 

Yes, I said in action which it appears they were not 

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8 minutes ago, 352nd_Hoss said:

The P-38 would be nice, any late model to fit the late war models we have now. Give the LW a Ju-88C or 188, another 109 model, the 262 may show up one of these days...... maybe not.... 

 

I’d guess the P38 falls well into the low hanging fruit category. Easy references, accessible flying examples, rabid fan base 🤨

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9 hours ago, Krupi said:

They still have a lot left to do with the European theatre IMO, especially in terms of AI aircraft. 

 

Some of these might cross over, however I don't know what aircraft were around for the actual Marianas Battle. 

 

I just had a look and pretty much no aircraft carry over from the Battle of the Philippines to Normandy or vice versa.... Potential the Hellcat and Corsair but I don't think they actually saw action over Europe. 

 

Helldiver, Dauntless, Avengers make up the rest. 

 

I figured that would be the case for planes. However we have almost nothing in the way of ships. So a better question is what ship classes appear in both of these articles. Followed by ground assets. 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Allied_warships_in_the_Normandy_landings?wprov=sfla1

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Sea_order_of_battle?wprov=sfla1

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On 12/30/2020 at 2:36 PM, MrExplosion said:

We only need a few more modules, a proper late 44/early 45 map and some more assets (like working radar) to call this theatre more or less complete.

 

Pls consider putting your energy into getting this finished before putting considerable effort into a new SEA theatre.

 

Also, pls consider providing the community with a roadmap to reach this goal (aka a list of features to be completed in chronological order until said goal is reached). I think most of the WW2 community would appreciate something like this. Thanks.

 

Seconded.

 

Also +1 for the G6. This would round up the plane set, plus few more features like suggested here.

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6 hours ago, rkk01 said:

Avengers and Wildcats also had a significant role in the Battle of the Atlantic, if I remember my reading correctly 

Escort carriers typically only had room for about 2 squadrons, so they typically had fighters doing the scouting missions and the Hellcat was too big to operate from them.  It would be awesome to get the F4F and TBF along with an escort carrier and some destroyers. I'd also toss in some old battleships and some Axis ships. 

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I agree we need to build out the '44 era much more in DCS, however I think we should focus on 43-44 rather than 44-45.

The Normandy and Channel Maps can cover (to some extent) any period from May 1940 until late 44 when The allies really started to push deeper into Europe and off our current maps. But most of the aircraft modules we already have are suited to the 43-44 timeframe, particularly the 190A-8, Spitfire IX, Mosquito and P-47. But most importantly, this was the period closest to the stuff we already have, where the sides were most closely matched in the air.

I think ED should focus more on AI aircraft and assets in the short term. While I would love many aircraft to be flyable, to really flesh out the current ww2 world in DCS, we need more allied medium bombers (current map sizes make escorting heavies a bit redundant), RAF night bombers, ground attack aircraft such as the Typhoon and Beaufighter (also a night fighter), German fighters such as period relevant 109's and night fighters (Ju-88's and 110's in particular) and German ground units and allied Naval units to attack or defend. Once these AI assets are in the game, then push on with making full modules later. 

I really do believe that by fleshing out the 43-44 timeframe, you will create an environment where more missions, campaigns and servers are being made and pulling people into the sim, which will in turn generate the revenue to push forward development of other modules.

I think the same approach should be taken with the upcoming Marianas ww2 map. We have the 47 and will have the Corsair. I think the Marianas can be fleshed out quite well with relatively few Japanese AI assets, mainly Artillery, AT guns, bunkers, infantry with various weapons, Betty's and Zero's to start, and build up the less prevalent aircraft later. Once those items have been put into the sim, and we can actually make some decent Marianas campaign scenarios for single and multi-player, start building the other flyable modules.

 

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On 10/3/2021 at 5:19 PM, upyr1 said:

Escort carriers typically only had room for about 2 squadrons, so they typically had fighters doing the scouting missions and the Hellcat was too big to operate from them.  It would be awesome to get the F4F and TBF along with an escort carrier and some destroyers. I'd also toss in some old battleships and some Axis ships. 

The late war FM-2 Wildcat was almost a completely different aircraft to the F4F. Like the Merlin and Griffon Spitfires.

Most of the surviving Wildcats are FM-2s.

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