Kayos Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 In some DCS Doc's it mentions that we don't have the wing cannon's yet. The 109 has been out a long time now. Does that mean we are never getting them? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Someday probably yes, but historically speaking wing's cannons were used very rarely, because serious handicap. Edited December 30, 2020 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Don't hold your breath for it. They have been planned for over 5 years now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayos Posted December 31, 2020 Author Share Posted December 31, 2020 12 hours ago, razo+r said: Don't hold your breath for it. They have been planned for over 5 years now... That's what I figured. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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percydanvers Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 12/30/2020 at 11:10 AM, grafspee said: Someday probably yes, but historically speaking wing's cannons were used very rarely, because serious handicap. They were unpopular, but I'm not sure they were rarely used. III./Jg 26 is known to have used them fairly frequently. For that matter, 109s weren't exactly preferred for Jabo missions after the introduction of Fw-190s, but we can still mount Sc 250s and Sc 500s on our K4s. Further, P-51s did not mount rockets in WWII, but we can still use those. After five years I have a hard time believing that wing cannons will ever be added, but they absolutely should be. Hell, I'd even love to see the Wgr 21 for our 109 (there are controls for it in the cockpit) but that really might be impossible since I'm pretty sure the K4 never used it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, percydanvers said: P-51s did not mount rockets in WWII, but we can still use those. I think they did. I'm 100% sure that Royal Airforce Mustangs used rockets. Anyway gun pods would require a lot of work in aerodynamic coding testing and fixing, so much work to just add 2 cannons. Probably at the end of "things to do" queue. Could be as well another 5 years. Spitfire does not have it's cooling system finished yet, just imagine how long this queue is. Edited January 18, 2021 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razo+r Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, grafspee said: I think they did. I'm 100% sure that Royal Airforce Mustangs used rockets. Anyway gun pods would require a lot of work in aerodynamic coding testing and fixing, so much work to just add 2 cannons. Probably at the end of "things to do" queue. Could be as well another 5 years. Spitfire does not have it's cooling system finished yet, just imagine how long this queue is. A lot of work? I wouldn't really say so. The MG151/20 is already defined by ED, one part less to do. Gunpods have also already been defined by ED, so adjusting a pre-existing gunpod to the values of the Rüstsatz is one thing to do. Then there's the model. Might be some tedious work for finding proper ressources, but doing the model and the textures for itself are not that hard. Aerodynamics for the pod? throw it in a CFD software, get the drag coefficient and put it in the definition of the pod and done. Then adding a pylon to the plane is also easy, and coding one shouldn't take that long either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, razo+r said: A lot of work? I wouldn't really say so. The MG151/20 is already defined by ED, one part less to do. Gunpods have also already been defined by ED, so adjusting a pre-existing gunpod to the values of the Rüstsatz is one thing to do. Then there's the model. Might be some tedious work for finding proper ressources, but doing the model and the textures for itself are not that hard. Aerodynamics for the pod? throw it in a CFD software, get the drag coefficient and put it in the definition of the pod and done. Then adding a pylon to the plane is also easy, and coding one shouldn't take that long either. Then, ED just don't want to give us gun pods then, probably. Edited January 18, 2021 by grafspee System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greiffer Posted March 12, 2021 Share Posted March 12, 2021 (edited) Yes we do need 20mm gunpods on the109k ......there's switch waiting to be pushed on the panel!! Edited March 12, 2021 by greiffer duplication Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted March 24, 2021 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) AFAIK the wing cannons were used a lot by the 109's, and whilst they were unpopular due to the detrimental effect on performance, they did help boost firepower by quite abit when attacking the bombers. However wether any K-4's mounted them in combat I'm not sure. Edited March 24, 2021 by Hummingbird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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