[RESOLVED] Non-axis INS inversion

[Dr Zaius]

Hello,

 

When I attempt to move the INS curser via the TDC (input mapped via a modifier on my TMWH joystick Castle Hat / AKA DMS) the controls are reversed; yet if I use the axis input of the slew control on the throttle it works correctly.

 

I don't normally use anything else to control the TDC other than the slew control however not all of us have a HOTAS contoller, it should thereofre be corrected.

 

OB 2.5.6.59625

Track attached.

 

Control Reversal.trk

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Review the update regarding the new sensor logic. You need to make sure you are in the correct mode for the TDC. For instance, if you want the TDC to be in HTS mode, the you need to have the TPOD powered up and press the SSS down twice within .8 seconds to make the TPOD the selected sensor. 

 

Marking as USER ERROR and moving to RESOLVED

 

[Dr Zaius]

3 hours ago, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Review the update regarding the new sensor logic. You need to make sure you are in the correct mode for the TDC. For instance, if you want the TDC to be in HTS mode, the you need to have the TPOD powered up and press the SSS down twice within .8 seconds to make the TPOD the selected sensor. 

 

Marking as USER ERROR and moving to RESOLVED

 

Thanks for the review suggestion however I think one us has misunderstood, the problem has nothing to do with the TPOD - for arguments sake lets say one isn't attached, when designating something in INS mode you can slew the designated cursor around the HUD without any problems via axis commands but if you have this slew command mapped to either a keyboard or joystick button press then the commands are inverted.

Edited December 30, 2020 by Dr Zaius

[lllcky]

So will the issue with inverted INS designation resolved in future? 

[Dr Zaius]

4 hours ago, lllcky said:

So will the issue with inverted INS designation resolved in future? 

Not while the issue is listed as ‘user error’ it won’t, perhaps Elmo will explain a little better once back from the holidays. Have you encountered the same thing IIIcky?

[lllcky]

Yes, the same thing. Axis slew ok, buttons are inverted. This only related to INS designatior (INS mode), not TPOD or DMT (TV) modes.

 

[Dr Zaius]

19 hours ago, lllcky said:

Yes, the same thing. Axis slew ok, buttons are inverted. This only related to INS designatior (INS mode), not TPOD or DMT (TV) modes.

Exactly this, thanks IIIcky

 

On 12/30/2020 at 2:06 PM, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Review the update regarding the new sensor logic. You need to make sure you are in the correct mode for the TDC. For instance, if you want the TDC to be in HTS mode, the you need to have the TPOD powered up and press the SSS down twice within .8 seconds to make the TPOD the selected sensor. 

 

Marking as USER ERROR and moving to RESOLVED

 

 

Elmo any chance you can look at this again please, I think you think we're having a different problem, IIIcky has simplified my attempt to previously highlight the issue - thanks in advance. 

[dorianR666]

On 12/30/2020 at 3:06 PM, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Review the update regarding the new sensor logic. You need to make sure you are in the correct mode for the TDC. For instance, if you want the TDC to be in HTS mode, the you need to have the TPOD powered up and press the SSS down twice within .8 seconds to make the TPOD the selected sensor. 

 

Marking as USER ERROR and moving to RESOLVED

 

I think you misunderstood the problem.

 

If you are in INS mode *and* you use keyboard for TDC, the axes are inverted. TDC left makes designation move right, TDC forward makes designation move down.

Should I make a new bug report with track and video?

[Dr Zaius]

@RAZBAM_ELMOdo you require further evidence to revisit this issue or has it become a moot point?

Edited January 27, 2021 by Dr Zaius

[Dr Zaius]

Hey @RAZBAM_ELMO, can we get a reply to this please, any reply will do - thanks

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

3 hours ago, Dr Zaius said:

Hey @RAZBAM_ELMO, can we get a reply to this please, any reply will do - thanks

Have you looked into the new HTS mode switch logic that was posted a while ago regarding the changes? If you are not in TPOD HTS mode and in INS then the controls with not move according to the TPOD but in fact on the EHSD or the HUD

[dorianR666]

13 minutes ago, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Have you looked into the new HTS mode switch logic that was posted a while ago regarding the changes? If you are not in TPOD HTS mode and in INS then the controls with not move according to the TPOD but in fact on the EHSD or the HUD

As has been said repeatedly before, this isnt the issue.

Please read my post above. Its an issue unique to button binds.

Edited February 3, 2021 by dorianR666

[Dr Zaius]

52 minutes ago, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Have you looked into the new HTS mode switch logic that was posted a while ago regarding the changes? If you are not in TPOD HTS mode and in INS then the controls with not move according to the TPOD but in fact on the EHSD or the HUD

 

I did look at your suggested review and can confirm that it has nothing to do with the problem we're having, if you don't understand how I've explained then please read the posts from both @dorianR666

 

On 1/25/2021 at 4:46 PM, dorianR666 said:

If you are in INS mode *and* you use keyboard for TDC, the axes are inverted. TDC left makes designation move right, TDC forward makes designation move down.

Should I make a new bug report with track and video?

 

and @lllcky

 

On 1/14/2021 at 4:47 PM, lllcky said:

Yes, the same thing. Axis slew ok, buttons are inverted. This only related to INS designatior (INS mode), not TPOD or DMT (TV) modes.

 

In short it doesn't matter if you have a TPOD fitted or not and you could read the new HTS mode switch logic until the cows come home but if you try to use a keyboard press for INS slew (we don't all own a HOTAS) then that axis becomes inverted.

[JorgV]

(not only with keyboard, but also hotas buttons (non-axis)) 

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

So the SSS functions work correctly however its the key binds for it that reverse?

 

[Dr Zaius]

3 hours ago, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

So the SSS functions work correctly however its the key binds for it that reverse?

 

Bingo!

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Updated internal report to reflect this.

[Dr Zaius]

On 2/7/2021 at 12:38 AM, RAZBAM_ELMO said:

Updated internal report to reflect this.

So having not played DCS in some time I thought I'd do check to see if this old problem has been fixed and no, despite the internal report being updated (whatever that means) it still has the inputs reversed - can somebody explain why this hasn't been fixed please only it's been almost 6 months now since it was first reported, thanks

Edited May 4, 2021 by Dr Zaius

[Dr Zaius]

@myHelljumperare you now stepping in for Elmo? If you are then a warm welome to you, that's some breach you're steeping into!

 

Been trying to get the above issue resolved for a few months now, initially it took several attempts to explain the problem but with the help from other users (see posts above) we finally got Elmo to understand things, it looked close to being fixed (what is the internal report exactly?) and then nothing

 

Apprecaite it may be a bigger problem than how it looks but other than being told abouit the internal repoort being updated nothing has been communicated, I therefore wanted to hop back on the forums and push for a resolution, if that's possible please?

[myHelljumper]

Hi, yeah I'm replacing Elmo while he is away.

 

First, can you confirm that the bug is still present in the latest OB ?

[Dr Zaius]

Thanks for the quick reply @myHelljumper, I can confirm that the bug is still present on the latest OB.

[Dr Zaius]

@myHelljumper& @RAZBAM_ELMO, any joy getting this issue fixed please guys?

 

If its unfixable then please just say, that way we won't waste any more of each others time - many thanks. 

[myHelljumper]

The tester and dev team have found the issue and fixed it.

 

It should be available in the next OB udpate.

[Dr Zaius]

Outstanding, well done all!