[REPORTED]ZSU-57 shoots low yield nukes and can frontally kill MBTs

[Shadow KT]

As the title suggest.... the ZSU is in serious need of a tweak ... it can blow up (literally blow up with an explosion) multiple vehicles with one burst. It can kill MBTs frontally and through their side with a burst.

It doesn't always pen, but you can just spam it and you will eventually get them, with two shots.
 

 

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[QuiGon]

Damn, this needs some serious fixing indeed!

[nighthawk2174]

Ok not going to lie that is hilarious!

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

 /runs for cover

[Flappie]

100% reproducible.

It reminds me of this.

[Dragon1-1]

That's the sort of problem that arises whenever you have a hitpoint-based system and rapid fire AA weapons. ArmA had similar problems, with Shilkas being able to clobber MBTs thanks to their huge ROF and large magazine. 

 

ZSU-57 would be quite dangerous to MBTs IRL, since the 57mm rounds are large and it can fire rather fast, but it certainly wouldn't be causing them to explode like that. Also, it likely wouldn't be able to take proper aim before getting blasted. Its problems were a cumbersome aiming system and inadequate crew protection, but DCS doesn't model that. 

[Renko]

Was this new unit tested?

Most interesting thing its not the damage to the target itsef. But that it blows the surrounding vehicles too, with that munition.
That single twin-barrel round did more damage than a GBU, or at least same

Thanks for bring this bug up

[BIGNEWY]

Hi all,

 

we have made a tweak internally already, it may need some more tweaking after.

 

thanks

[QuiGon]

41 minutes ago, Renko said:

Was this new unit tested?

Most interesting thing its not the damage to the target itsef. But that it blows the surrounding vehicles too, with that munition.
That single twin-barrel round did more damage than a GBU, or at least same

Thanks for bring this bug up

I guess that's the result of it being coded as flak munition that is supposed to have an area effect when exploding in the air.

Edited December 22, 2020 by QuiGon

[Northstar98]

On 12/20/2020 at 10:47 PM, Dragon1-1 said:

That's the sort of problem that arises whenever you have a hitpoint-based system and rapid fire AA weapons. ArmA had similar problems, with Shilkas being able to clobber MBTs thanks to their huge ROF and large magazine. 

 

ZSU-57 would be quite dangerous to MBTs IRL, since the 57mm rounds are large and it can fire rather fast, but it certainly wouldn't be causing them to explode like that. Also, it likely wouldn't be able to take proper aim before getting blasted. Its problems were a cumbersome aiming system and inadequate crew protection, but DCS doesn't model that. 

 

HE-T shouldn't do much to MBTs unless they hit something unprotected. The main problem would be the APCBC-HE-T rounds which can penetrate the hull-sides of probably most MBTs (I think it has something like the approximate penetration of 30/40mm APFSDS, around 120-ish mm RHAe penetration)  combined with it's high fire rate. 

 

And yes absolutely agreed on the simplified damage modelling of ground vehicles, if I'm honest that's probably at fault.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Northstar98

[Dragon1-1]

57mm HE-T would most certainly do damage to an MBT. The fragments from the explosion itself would damage optics, machine guns and everything on the exterior, while the shock from the explosive and the impact itself would cause spallation and internal damage. It likely wouldn't kill the crew, but repeated pounding with those shells could incapacitate them. A single 57mm shell wouldn't do much to cripple a tank unless it hit a track, but a veritable shower of those that ZU-57-2 can output probably would.

 

However, in this case, it's just strong enough to burn away the tank's hitpoints with repeated hits. Also, to get any sort of effect against aircraft, the blast radius is grossly overinflated, since DCS doesn't model fragmentation.