pchRage Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) I was under the impression that the FLCS limits to ~25 degrees AOA. Only in stall/over-the-top/close-to-departure style maneuvers, have I gotten to ~29. I've been reviewing a number of tacviews of myself and others in F-16 and I'm almost 99.999% of the time < 25deg, whether I'm between 200 to 500 CAS sub 10k alt. Others (several) I've seen regularly sustain 30-34 degrees, and even 42+ in a snap. The speeds are in the lower band, from 220-360 cas, and these are in all aspects; climb, over the top, descending, level turn, ortho roll, oblique turn, etc etc. I understand that AOA is not the f-16s gameplan and you dont want to be in the position in the first place.......but... when its down to a 1C/scissors, etc, especially vs another f-16, I can see that >25 degrees AOA delta as an advantage. I've checked my joystick in windows/dcs, and its hitting the full range. I do not use any curves, but do take 2% off the ends to ensure I can hit 100% deflection. Testing offline, trying various maneuvers, various speeds, (hah! even tried the manual-pitch-override)...no go! Would be nice to understand the "how" and at least have the tool in the tool-bag. Attached a few screenshots from a random individual flying a 1v1.. names redacted Edited December 4, 2020 by pchRage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crptalk Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 Tacview is not an accurate way to display AOA because it's interpolated from positional coordinates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pchRage Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Thanks Crptalk, I understand that is true for +/- 0.2 G or so.. but didn't know it affected AOA... Even still... I've looked at many many many tacviews, and I consistently see my plane < 25AOA and others > 30. are you saying that my local tacview is more accurate in the same flight for me vs others? and by ~10degrees margin??? seems excessive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zergburger Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 try doing these manuvers and looking at the track, or better yet, view the AOA meter while you are doing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pchRage Posted December 4, 2020 Author Share Posted December 4, 2020 Yep have done that exhaustively Zergburger, I cannot get anywhere close to those AOAs, always <= 25... only in a hammerhead or other stall-based maneuver can i get close to 27-28-29... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florence201 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Try the 3-3 30Degree demo maneuver and check cockpit AOA then mate [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pchRage Posted December 5, 2020 Author Share Posted December 5, 2020 Not sure what demo maneuver that is.. did a quick search, didnt come up with anything. I did compare two tacviews of a flight... mine and another persons, and sync'd their time to a particular evasive maneuver. the 2 tacviews shows a ~2G difference and ~5deg AOA diff. So I think this all boils down to tacview is (highly?) inconsistent for non-own-plane recorded metrics... that's pretty disheartening and to me, casts some concerns on the tool itself for detailed analysis vs generalization ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.J.S Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Publicly available, and may be of use to many? https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/airshow/media/military/ACC_Heritage_Maneuvers_Package.pdf For A-10, F-15, F-16, plus others. Alien desktop PC, Intel i7-8700 CPU@3.20GHz 6 Core, Nvidia GTX 1070, 16GB RAM. TM Warthog stick and Throttles. Saitek ProFlight pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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