jojo Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) To avoid spamming the project update topic, share here pictures, videos or informations about various variants of the Mirage F1 And the Voltige Victor. Display starts at 6'00". Mirage F1 CR last air to air gun training. Edited December 1, 2020 by jojo 1 2 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to post Share on other sites
jojo Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 2 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to post Share on other sites
jaguara5 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 (edited) Edited December 2, 2020 by jaguara5 4 Link to post Share on other sites
jojo Posted December 6, 2020 Author Share Posted December 6, 2020 Spanish Mirage F1 display. 1 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to post Share on other sites
jpbordi Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 (edited) US mirage F1 fleet, on the way to playing agressor with F22/F35 Second live of 48 mirage F1 Spoiler Edited December 8, 2020 by jpbordi Link to post Share on other sites
iLOVEwindmills Posted December 13, 2020 Share Posted December 13, 2020 So what armament are we getting on this? Since they are Spanish versions, are we only getting what the Spanish used? How did they differ from the French ones? Link to post Share on other sites
Pilot Ike Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 Does the - E have a HUD and some sort of CCIP/CCRP to deliver dumb a2g weapons with a greater amount of precision than, say the F-5? Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) On 12/13/2020 at 11:44 PM, iLOVEwindmills said: How did they differ from the French ones? The CE should be pretty similar to the initial french C version, but lacking A-G telemetry (datalink)-functions. They were wired for Sidewinders instead of the Magics and they could carry a four-bomb MER under the fuselage. The CE could carry the Syrel, Barax and Caiman pods (the letter wasn't procured), had a downsized TACAN box and it could carry the cannon-pod CC420 under the fuselage and/ or under each wing. Apart from the Sidewinder-integration, the first batch didn't have all the modifications. Likewise for the BE vs the B. The EE had an INS and lost 140l of fuel volume against the CE, but it had an in-flight refuelling probe. The EDA (ex quatari birds) had a full-up Système de Navigation et d'Attaque (which would probably best translate into an INS with nav and bombing computers*), the Rémora countermeasure pods and a recce pod CDR 2 and a Sycomore countermeasure system. The M had improved A-G radar modes for the Cyrano IV, a HUD, colour-displays, a laser de télémétrie (?), Have Quick II radios, a digital mode 4 transponder, a GPS-coupling INS "Sextant", Sherlock RWR. Only the CE, BE and EE models were upgraded to M standards, while the EDA were put into storage. That should be a quick and dirty comparison. ___ * Some francophones might want to correct me there. Edited December 19, 2020 by Bremspropeller 1 Link to post Share on other sites
iLOVEwindmills Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Thanks, would there be a difference in terms of ordnance? I vaguely recall reading that the Spanish did not use the super 530F? I guess not much has been said about what will actually be added in game for this plane either. If they are going full accurate with the Spanish version, or make a 'pretend' French variant as well with armament options. Link to post Share on other sites
Thinder Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/19/2020 at 1:44 PM, Bremspropeller said: The CE should be pretty similar to the initial french C version, but lacking A-G telemetry (datalink)-functions. They were wired for Sidewinders instead of the Magics... Apart from the Sidewinder-integration, the first batch didn't have all the modifications. I serviced the AIM-9 B with the G.E.R.M.A.S BA 102 Dijon, at the time, the Squadrons flying there were equiped with the Mirage IIIE, wiring was NATO standard, always been, same for the Mirage F1, I'm quite sure it was the R550 which needed integration as the aircraft was from stock capable of using the AIM-9s but the Magic wasn't fully NATO compatible at the start. The difference was probably not the wiring itself, but the black boxes allowing for the use of the AAMs from the cockpit, selectors, HUD box etc, especially if there had been some alteration of the B standard to newer AIM9 versions, in this respect, there were little differences with the Mirage III export version sold to Pakistan ready for use with newer AIM-9 variants. 1 MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX 7B86vHB1(Beta version) BIOS, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB, 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 CL14, Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS. My G2 is DEAD, I'll get VR again when headsets will be better. M-2000C. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Link to post Share on other sites
TLTeo Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 12/19/2020 at 2:44 PM, Bremspropeller said: The EDA (ex quatari birds) had a full-up Système de Navigation et d'Attaque (which would probably best translate into an INS with nav and bombing computers*), the Rémora countermeasure pods and a recce pod CDR 2 and a Sycomore countermeasure system. The M had improved A-G radar modes for the Cyrano IV, a HUD, colour-displays, a laser de télémétrie (?), Have Quick II radios, a digital mode 4 transponder, a GPS-coupling INS "Sextant", Sherlock RWR. Only the CE, BE and EE models were upgraded to M standards, while the EDA were put into storage. My French isn't great, but I think Système de Navigation et d'Attaque roughly translates to "Navigation and attack system", so yeah, some sort of INS or Doppler suite plus air to ground computer, like e.g. the Viggen perhaps. If I had to guess, laser de télémétrie refers to a laser rangefinder, so maybe a system like that in the Su-25? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Thinder Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 12/28/2020 at 10:36 AM, TLTeo said: My French isn't great, but I think Système de Navigation et d'Attaque roughly translates to "Navigation and attack system", so yeah, some sort of INS or Doppler suite plus air to ground computer, like e.g. the Viggen perhaps. If I had to guess, laser de télémétrie refers to a laser rangefinder, so maybe a system like that in the Su-25? A SNA is not an INS, but rather a suite of sensors including an INS if available at the time depending on the export variants, but the Spanish F1 were fitted with a SAGEM ULISS 47 INS for example, upgraded with a Sextant inertial navigation system with GPS interface in April 1998. https://web.archive.org/web/20050112092808/http://www.janes.com/regional_news/europe/news/jdu/jdu010426_1_n.shtml The most advanced variant in service with the AdlA was the CT, its SNA was very precise and included an upgrade of the Cyrano IVM-R radar with additional ground attack modes, it also featured the SAGEM ULISS 47 so was probably the closest to the Spanish variant when it comes to avionics. About the Cyrano IVM-R, I don't think it had full doppler capabilities, in any case it was designed to fire the MATRA Super-530 F with long range and high altitude in mind, the doppler BWR AAM came later, the D variant with the Mirage 2000C. MSI B450 GAMING PLUS MAX 7B86vHB1(Beta version) BIOS, AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB, 32GB G.SKILL TridentZ RGB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 CL14, Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS. My G2 is DEAD, I'll get VR again when headsets will be better. M-2000C. F/A-18C Hornet. F-15C. MiG-29 "Fulcrum". Avatar: Escadron de Chasse 3/3 Ardennes. Link to post Share on other sites
jaguara5 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) Edited January 12 by jaguara5 10 Link to post Share on other sites
BonerCat Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 Interesting. An AIM-9 on this hardpoint... Makes me wonder if 2x Fox-1 and 4x Fox-2 would be possible Modules: F-14, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C, M-2000C, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B N/A, MiG-29, Su-33, MiG-21 Bis, F-5E, P-51D, Ka-50, Mi-8, Sa 342, UH-1H, Combined Arms Maps and others: Persian Gulf, Syria, Normandy, WWII Assets, NS 430 + Mi-8 NS 430 Link to post Share on other sites
PetRock Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) On 1/13/2021 at 5:02 AM, BonerCat said: Interesting. An AIM-9 on this hardpoint... Makes me wonder if 2x Fox-1 and 4x Fox-2 would be possible Edited January 17 by PetRock image didn't load 4 Link to post Share on other sites
TLTeo Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/13/2021 at 2:02 PM, BonerCat said: Makes me wonder if 2x Fox-1 and 4x Fox-2 would be possible Looks like the Fox-1s are carried on the inboard pylons, so why not? Link to post Share on other sites
BonerCat Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Well, most sources note the plane's loadout was 2x Fox2, 2x Fox1 for CAP This is the 1st instance i see of an AIM-9 being mounted there Not saying it's impossible, infact i wondered why not put more missiles on the plane if it has the hardpoints Just not sure if this means we'll have a 4-2 load for Fox2-Fox1 missiles Don't wanna overhype myself Also, I hope you'll forgive me, but i m not gonna take a mod as a legit source (unless the source for the mod is legit) Modules: F-14, F-15C, F-16C, F/A-18C, M-2000C, A-10C, A-10C II, AV-8B N/A, MiG-29, Su-33, MiG-21 Bis, F-5E, P-51D, Ka-50, Mi-8, Sa 342, UH-1H, Combined Arms Maps and others: Persian Gulf, Syria, Normandy, WWII Assets, NS 430 + Mi-8 NS 430 Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) I think the Greeks (and Spanish?) had a special Mod that enabled heaters on the wing-pylons. And as it turns out, so did the Equadorians: https://www.airliners.net/photo/Ecuador-Air-Force/Dassault-Mirage-F1JA/1806421/L Note the Python 4/5 missile. They also had Python 3s. Dassault usually offered a high level of customisation, so one version of a Mirage might have totally different loadout-options than another. The remaining questions wold be whether those loadouts were cleared and obtainable for any other customer as well, since you'd still need to procure the corresponding hardware - like launchers - to make that happen. Edited January 20 by Bremspropeller Link to post Share on other sites
jaguara5 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Edited January 23 by jaguara5 6 Link to post Share on other sites
Badger1-1 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I was wondering if or how much the -M would differ from the Mirage2000c, its lighter and has a weaker engine but almost same T/W ratio (0.66 vs 0.7) But what about A/A and A/G? Can the F1 carry more A/A? Link to post Share on other sites
TLTeo Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I expect it to be slightly worse in air to air, since it has an older, slightly worse BVR missile and radar, and it isn't a FBW jet (so I'd expect it to be less agile). In air to ground it will probably be a different story depending on exactly what Aergees go for, because some F1s could carry laser guided bombs and missiles, laser designation pods, as well as anti radiation and anti ship missiles (although from what I've read, it's unlikely we're getting any variant that's compatible with the Exocet). 2 Link to post Share on other sites
jojo Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) On 1/27/2021 at 2:58 PM, Badger1-1 said: I was wondering if or how much the -M would differ from the Mirage2000c, its lighter and has a weaker engine but almost same T/W ratio (0.66 vs 0.7) But what about A/A and A/G? Can the F1 carry more A/A? I think you are mistaken. Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000C have roughly the same empty weight, but Mirage 2000 is more powerful. Atar Family | Safran Aircraft Engines (safran-aircraft-engines.com) M53 | Safran Aircraft Engines (safran-aircraft-engines.com) For AA and according to French Air Force pilots it's night and day: more powerful, better radar (look down/ shoot down), better missiles (Super 530D Vs Super 530F at best), integrated ECM compared to pods... But yes, depending on the variant, some late Mirage F1 offer better options for AG. Edited January 31 by jojo Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI GTX 1080Ti Gaming X/ RAM 32 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Saitek X-55 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Rift S M-2000C X-55 VR profile / M-2000C custom SERVAL symbols assignation Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to post Share on other sites
Badger1-1 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 So Im not wrong since Isaid exactly what you said Link to post Share on other sites
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