Mirage F1 project update

[IvanK]

Cyrano IV manual of sorts pretty detailed

 

https://dlscrib.com/cyrano-iv-airborne-fire-control-radar-utilization-manual-thomson-csf_58b1f5516454a7ab10b1e966_pdf.html

 

Edited February 12 by IvanK

[Rudel_chw]

14 minutes ago, IvanK said:

Cyrano IV manual of sorts pretty detailed

 

https://dlscrib.com/cyrano-iv-airborne-fire-control-radar-utilization-manual-thomson-csf_58b1f5516454a7ab10b1e966_pdf.html

 

 

very useful, thanks a lot

[Harlikwin]

17 hours ago, IvanK said:

Correct me if I am wrong but the later model F1 look down shoot down capability was not PD but some other pseudo look down shoot down thing. with an MTI type function.

 

 

Interesting if it was an external coherence MTI like the mig23's sapfir radar.

[Harlikwin]

15 hours ago, IvanK said:

Cyrano IV manual of sorts pretty detailed

 

https://dlscrib.com/cyrano-iv-airborne-fire-control-radar-utilization-manual-thomson-csf_58b1f5516454a7ab10b1e966_pdf.html

 

 

 

On no, another jet with radar stick...

[IvanK]

"On no, another jet with radar stick... "

 

I have many hours Stick fiddling   ergonomically it was pretty neat. (Cyrano II Mirage IIIO)

 

 

Edited February 12 by IvanK

[Harlikwin]

1 hour ago, IvanK said:

"On no, another jet with radar stick... "

 

I have many hours Stick fiddling   ergonomically it was pretty neat. (Cyrano II Mirage IIIO)

 

 

 

 

Nice.

 

Mainly for me its a pain to use them since they almost always weird button/slider arrangements. For the viggen and F14 I use a spare F16 stick (FSSB). But they all have "wheels" and other stuff to consider, plus its awkward for me in VR since I can't exactly do what you have since I also use that stick for the viper. So it basically sits "next" to the throttle, which makes using it or the throttle awkward.

 

TBH I'd totally buy another "radar" stick if some company made them. Same with a harrier throttle, or russian style sliding throttles.

 

 

 

Edited February 12 by Harlikwin

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

On 2/12/2021 at 11:35 PM, Harlikwin said:

or russian style sliding throttles

Apparently VKB is working on a version of their upcoming TECS that is a slider type throttle:
http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5054

 

 

[Harlikwin]

7 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Apparently VKB is working on a version of their upcoming TECS that is a slider type throttle:
http://forum.vkb-sim.pro/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5054

 

 

 

Cool I guess. But really, I question the Su35/57 throttle idea, I mean we don't have em in DCS, and from a quick glance its not even close to the current Russian stuff we do have in DCS. I personally have 3 other throttles, but if there was one that was a copy of an actual in game plane, I'd get it. 

[Thinder]

On 2/11/2021 at 12:18 AM, TLTeo said:

Those would be the F1M as far as I understand, not the original EEs that Spain got.

 

Only the earliest variants of the Cyrano radar lacked look down/shoot down capability. It's unclear what BVR missiles will be carried by each variant though.

 

The issue with look down/shoot down capability was not only the radar itself but also the MATRA Super 530 F, the Thomson-CSF Cyrano IV lacked the performances to follow targets with continued illumination of target at low altitude but also the Super 530 F wasn't designed for this.

 

AdlA considered the AIM-7 Sparow to be superior for interception in this aspect but less reliable, the reason was the seeker's lack of doppler capabilities, it came with the D variant and the Mirage 2000, but the first 2000 were equiped with the rafar RDM and Super 530F.

 

From 1987, they considered the Sparrow M variant and the Super 530 D as having equivalent performances, the improvement from the F to the D included an EMD semi-active doppler seeker with a 50km range.

 

http://marc.mistral.free.fr/aventure/militaire/missiles tactiques/mt 59 79/mt ch 08.htm

 

http://marc.mistral.free.fr/aventure/militaire/missiles tactiques/mt 59 79/mt ch 09.htm

Edited February 20 by Thinder