TLTeo Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Yea afaik they were MTI modes like those in the Mig 23 or F104ASA, not true Doppler modes like e.g the F14 and F15. More limited but still better than being drowned in clutter. Also, watch out for people who love to argue semantics, I've seen plenty of Mig-23 discussions go down the drain when people couldn't decide if it was a pulse doppler radar or not :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avimimus Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I guess it is not only a Question of variant. I guess it depends also on the Nation and their inventory... Exactly why I gave up! I guess we'll wait for an expert? I do kindof hope that there will be some kind of hybrid rocket/bomb pod or rocket/fuel pod... Mirages tended to be a bit unusual in that respect! Unusual is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpticFlow Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Yea afaik they were MTI modes like those in the Mig 23 or F104ASA, not true Doppler modes like e.g the F14 and F15. More limited but still better than being drowned in clutter. Also, watch out for people who love to argue semantics, I've seen plenty of Mig-23 discussions go down the drain when people couldn't decide if it was a pulse doppler radar or not :P Yes, look-down should be similar to MiG-23MLA. Russian sources describe Cyrano IV as Pulse-Doppler with external coherence source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE_Crni Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I've asked Tom Cooper, author of the "Iraqi Mirages" https://g.co/kgs/hS7j2v about the radar on Mirage F1, and his answer is: Mirage F.1-radar.... The Iraqis were using the Cyrano-IVQ, which was much better than the radar of the MiG-21, and even that of the MiG-23MF, but not as good as that of the MiG-23ML. Later versions, like IVQ-M (Mirage F.1EQ-5/6), had a MTI and were matching the radar of the MiG-23ML. AFAIK, the F.1CE is 'F.1C brought to F.1EQ-5/6 standard' (like the F.1CT). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bremspropeller Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 AFAIK, the F.1CE is 'F.1C brought to F.1EQ-5/6 standard' (like the F.1CT). Not quite sure there. The CE should be quite similar to the initial french F1C. They might have been upgraded, though (not talking about the M upgrade). One question I'm curious about is whether the IR probe actually requires a fuselage-plug (my sources imply so, but don't seem to actually mention it). Also, if such a plug is installed, can the probe be removed? There is a duckton of pictures of F1CEs and there seem to be some with and some without probes. So ein Feuerball, JUNGE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyMPAK Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I've asked Tom Cooper, author of the "Iraqi Mirages" https://g.co/kgs/hS7j2v about the radar on Mirage F1, and his answer is: Mirage F.1-radar.... The Iraqis were using the Cyrano-IVQ, which was much better than the radar of the MiG-21, and even that of the MiG-23MF, but not as good as that of the MiG-23ML. Later versions, like IVQ-M (Mirage F.1EQ-5/6), had a MTI and were matching the radar of the MiG-23ML. AFAIK, the F.1CE is 'F.1C brought to F.1EQ-5/6 standard' (like the F.1CT). Cool, but The MiG-23ML had no radar Iniquissimam pacem justissimo bello anteferro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSIAD_RIP Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 I bought the MiG-19 because of how the updated cockpit looked. I bought the amazing C-101 because of how it flew and for the fantastic updated cockpit! After seeing the screenshots from this post, I have ZERO excuses - this is an easy buy, especially since the same team who did the C-101 flight-model and cockpit textures are working on the Mirage F1. Don't worry about adding NS430 - LoL! Good luck over the next several months with this worthwhile project! Do not own: | F-15E | JF-17 | Fw 190 A-8 | Bf 109 | Hardware: [ - Ryzen7-5800X - 32GB - RX 6800 - X56 HOTAS Throttle - WINWING Orion 2 F16EX Grip - TrackIR 5 - Tobii 5C - JetPad FSE - ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravenus Posted November 28, 2020 Share Posted November 28, 2020 Cool, but The MiG-23ML had no radar lol 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I've asked Tom Cooper, author of the "Iraqi Mirages" https://g.co/kgs/hS7j2v about the radar on Mirage F1, and his answer is: Mirage F.1-radar.... The Iraqis were using the Cyrano-IVQ, which was much better than the radar of the MiG-21, and even that of the MiG-23MF, but not as good as that of the MiG-23ML. Later versions, like IVQ-M (Mirage F.1EQ-5/6), had a MTI and were matching the radar of the MiG-23ML. AFAIK, the F.1CE is 'F.1C brought to F.1EQ-5/6 standard' (like the F.1CT). This is wrong. Mirage F1 CE is just Spain variant of the Mirage F1 C. Mirage F1 EE is a Mirage F1 C with INS navigation system. Mirage F1 EQ5/6 were totally multirole: - AA with Super 530F (not Super 530D contrary to what he published multiple times), and Magic. - AG with dumb bombs, laser guided weapons such as BGL and AS30L. - anti-ship with AM39 - anti-radar with BAZ-AR (export of ARMAT) - kind of jamming export with REMORA pod. Nobody else got the full kit. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PE_Crni Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 So, were the F1CE compatible with Super 530F? Or only with the old 530? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguara5 Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 If anyone is interested to see in deetail the various cockpit variations and differences between the F1 versions here is a good book http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article5993.html https://dogfight-editions.com/fr/hor...serie-n01.html The CE seems to be very close to the French F1C-200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 So, were the F1CE compatible with Super 530F? Or only with the old 530? I'm not sure. I would say it's an easy modification. But given the fact they didn't have Super 530F before procuring former Qataris Mirage F1 EDA, they probably didn't do it. Spain bought EF/A-18A (C.15) in the 1980', upgrading the Mirage F1 was probably a lower priority. It would be wise for Aerges to make a French Mirage F1 C-200, apart from the weapons, it's very close to the CE. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyMPAK Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 I've asked Tom Cooper, author of the "Iraqi Mirages" https://g.co/kgs/hS7j2v about the radar on Mirage F1, and his answer is: Mirage F.1-radar.... The Iraqis were using the Cyrano-IVQ, which was much better than the radar of the MiG-21, and even that of the MiG-23MF, but not as good as that of the MiG-23ML. Later versions, like IVQ-M (Mirage F.1EQ-5/6), had a MTI and were matching the radar of the MiG-23ML. AFAIK, the F.1CE is 'F.1C brought to F.1EQ-5/6 standard' (like the F.1CT). Cool, but The MiG-23ML had no radar I was wrong. Confused with the MiG-23BM :( Iniquissimam pacem justissimo bello anteferro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyMPAK Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Cool, but The MiG-23ML had no radar lol It's funny how I could make such a mistake Iniquissimam pacem justissimo bello anteferro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattebubben Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 So, were the F1CE compatible with Super 530F? Or only with the old 530? I'm not sure. I would say it's an easy modification. But given the fact they didn't have Super 530F before procuring former Qataris Mirage F1 EDA, they probably didn't do it. Spain bought EF/A-18A (C.15) in the 1980', upgrading the Mirage F1 was probably a lower priority. It would be wise for Aerges to make a French Mirage F1 C-200, apart from the weapons, it's very close to the CE. Well they have always said they are willing to do other variants. But they need the data for them. They are currently making the variants they have all the data for. But if they got additional data they can make additional variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) Edit. Edited December 1, 2020 by jojo Avoid spamming with unrelated news 1 Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tugais Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 @Vibora Would you consider making a sticky thread where the team alone can post updates please ? It would be much easier to follow your updates on the project. Thanks ! 3rd Wing | 55th Black Alligators * BA-33 Εις ανηρ ουδεις ανηρ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vibora Posted December 1, 2020 Author Share Posted December 1, 2020 22 minutes ago, tugais said: @Vibora Would you consider making a sticky thread where the team alone can post updates please ? It would be much easier to follow your updates on the project. Thanks ! For now I've pinned this one. Roberto "Vibora" Seoane Alas Rojas [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 I know Iraqi F1EQ-5/6 were pretty advanced, but how did the earlier blocks (EQ-1 to 4) compare with the F1EE? Were they comparable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynchsl62 Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Fantastic new......The Mirage F-1 is one of my most awaited planes, and along with the F-8 Crusader and the Mig 23 it will complete the set up I am looking for. 3 PC: 9980XE @ 64GB RAM /2080Ti, Samsung C49RG90 Joystick bases: VKB GFIII, FSSB R3L, Brunner CLS-E, Virpil Mongoos CM2 Joystick grips: Realsimulator (F-18CGRH, F-16SGRH-CE), VKB (MCG Pro, F-14, KG-12), Virpil Warbrd Throttles: Virpil CM2, Kantorrin, Other: TrackIR, TM MFDx2 (Cubesim Screenx2), Virpil Control Panel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henshao Posted December 1, 2020 Share Posted December 1, 2020 (edited) does any version of mirage f1 carry more than 2 medium-range missiles? Edited December 1, 2020 by henshao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester986 Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 Vibora, do tou think we could get a weekly screenshot of the F-1? Nothing necessarily about the development but just a snapshot from testing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kontiuka Posted December 2, 2020 Share Posted December 2, 2020 I'd prefer they just show us something when they have something to show. It was nice to see all those lovely screenshots after basically years of silence on the Mirage F-1. Not that I want years to go by without updates. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo_One Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 10:45 AM, jojo said: This is wrong. Mirage F1 CE is just Spain variant of the Mirage F1 C. Mirage F1 EE is a Mirage F1 C with INS navigation system. Mirage F1 EQ5/6 were totally multirole: - AA with Super 530F (not Super 530D contrary to what he published multiple times), and Magic. - AG with dumb bombs, laser guided weapons such as BGL and AS30L. - anti-ship with AM39 - anti-radar with BAZ-AR (export of ARMAT) - kind of jamming export with REMORA pod. Nobody else got the full kit. Yes. Thats the best part. Im also so hyped for this :) 1000 flights, 1000 crashes - perfect record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henshao Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 ok thanks i guess not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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